Caught between a dollar and a dream

It took me 40 years till I could get to farming fulltime and only because I had a income all those years allowing me to pay for and build up the farm. Now I am retired and that also allows me to make it financially. During those years I experimented with honey bees, sheep, Christmas trees, stocker cattle, direct marketing, internet selling and now miniature cattle for beef and breeding stock trying to find a formula that would work. I am getting closer to being profitable but if I had jumped in years back I may not have made it, who knows.

I remember one of the prime reasons keeping me from jumping in earlier was the considerations for my family. We have 4 children, now grown and on thier own with families. My dream back in those days when the kids were small was a farm that would support the whole family, provide enough money for college for each child and serve as a base for future farming at least for our two boys. I was hoping for a situation where our children and thier famlies would settle on or around the farm as they grew up. But it diden’t happen that way. They all went off to college and now have good jobs but each are quite a distance away in other States which makes it very hard to share in thier lives as we would like.

Would I do it the same way again? I am not sure I would. Perhaps I would go for it earlier and figure out a way to make it work. I sure am enjoying what I do right now and if I were able to have my children and grandchildren close by to share it with would be the frosting on the cake.

It’s a tiny minority that asks these questions. I figure 98% of people are just quietly dissatisfied in their work, and never even imagine that they can make a change. Ironically, I never knew what security felt like until I left the city. There was something shockingly simple, and profoundly comforting, about realizing that as long as we were growing our own food we’d never be hungry, and as long as we could cut wood we’d never have to be cold. I’m OK with the fact that I’ll probably never have a new car or a house that looks the way I’d like it to or a pile of money to blow on clothes. I like clothes, but not enough to work forty hours a week for them at a job I am not crazy about. Luckily, I’m married to a person who would find a way to be happy living on a park bench, so we’re not pulling in opposite directions. Will we have enough cash to send our baby girl to college in eighteen years? I don’t know. I hope that if she wants to go to college she’ll be talented and resourceful enough to find a way to do it. And I hope that we can make up for what we won’t be able to give her in material things with the things we can give her, including a farm-centered childhood with happy parents who really love the work they do every day. Hope that doesn’t sound self-righteous. I know everyone has different priorities, responsibilities, debts, and resources. I just feel awfully lucky that I get to do what I love at a relatively young age and wish the same for others.

I personally believe that the economic order as we know it is collapsing due to peak oil. You guys have no idea, you’re luckiest people on earth. PLEASE count your blessings and keep farming. How we’re going to feed ourselves as a country, in an agricultural system almost entirely dependent upon fossil fuels, with diminishing marginal returns is scary. I don’t want to repeat the facts, but read this here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html You guys using draught animals are so far ahead of the game, it isn’t funny.

There is definitely a disconnect between poverty and sustainability in this country. This could be a long thread and possibly a book… maybe even a movie or series of books or something long and complex….

I have never made more than poverty level income working on the farm and in the forest of the community. The point is that having economical lifestyles and living within our means, means not much money. The entire modern world has so little value placed on personal dignity and independence that many of us who commit to this reject that way of measuring on own sense of success.

This is a very hard way to make a living, yet the only way some can live… Every person that is involved with this culture of interdependent agricultural and forest endeavors is a precious part of the best potential humans have for the future of our species on the planet in my opinion and experience.

Helping each other find our own place in the natural world is the best thing about this forum and it’s members. Thanks to all of you for being here and where you are….keep up the good work to any degree you are able.

Maybe we can expand on this thread and continue to help each other in this unique cyber community of interest.

Thank goodness there is more to life than money….meanwhile we all have to have some money so off to work we go…

I am appreciating the conversation between everyone. I think about these questions – quiting the city for the country, forsaking money and societal values in favor of learning these REAL skills everyday.

Reading this thread,after being gone from here all summer – trying to get a bit closer to getting my own place, with very limited “success” – I’d have to say that it’s about attitude & expectations: what do you REALLY need & what is it worth to you?
I see many mentions on ‘sacrificing’ this and that for “living the dream” –> I’m sorry, but I’m an American = I want it all, and expect it. It’s not how many toys you have: it’s how much time you get to spend playing with the toys you DO have. And the adjustments you make to fit it all together.
Case in point: I don’t want or have any use for a nice car or even a big fancy new truck. What for? My Datsun p/u is paid for. Have to get it fixed, but I can have the whole motor rebuilt for less than a year’s payments on that 2009 Ford 3/4 ton deisel p/u my boss just bought for $42k. So, when I say I want it all – AND expect to get it – it’s because I have taken the time (like 5 years in prison) to decide what I really want.
Freedom.
Freedom to pursue my dreams…and to fail at them, if it so happens.
I looked around the other day, when the place I wanted to rent/eventually buy was sold to someone w/ the $$ up front, and realized: I want a farm w/ livestock, draft animals, a vehicle, a lifemate beside me, and the respect of my neighbors to either accept me or leave me the hell alone. I’ve got 2 donkeys that just fit me right, 20 goats, 16 1/2 rabbits (one got out & lives in the yard w/ the ferocious dog & cat)…and no one bothers me at all if/when I choose to celebrate my Pagan holiday Samhain (commonly known as ‘Halloween’).
And I’m hot on the trail of land to rent, not buy…for now.
There must be 50 kids in the 3 towns I sell in, that call me MR. Pirate-Farmer; as do many of their parents.
Yep, I want it all…and I think I’ve got most of it.
Attitude, my friends.
What do you really want?

Kevin ~ Where do you live at? ‘How to sell farm produce legally’ covers a lot of ground…most places I’ve heard of, are similar to here (Idaho) = farmers’ markets are primarily regulated about 3 things: 1) weights/measures = need to either have a state-certified scale or post “all weights approximate” 2) food safety = here, you can give out samples of almost any produce EXCEPT melons. This info can be found at your local health department and/or dept. of ag. 3) sales taxes = they want “their” share of what you make. I just figure the tax into my per-unit sale price & don’t bother to collect the pennies – just figure the 6% sales tax out of the year’s gross & send it in.
These simple regulations are usually also all that’s applied to roadside stands, although local codes differ, of course.
As for HOW to grow things: apprenticeship with someone who’s doing it. Rural Heritage has a system set up with just that info.
Or, do as I’m doing; learn by doing, while keep on working at a paycheck-providing job.
The true learning will really come from the land, anyways, if you learn to listen to it. Preparation is important – especially with young ones about – but the circumstances will never be ‘perfect’.
One last “secret” = the seed companies have great motivation to see you succeed with their seeds: and lots of (usually) friendly people that will give you advice to ensure that your growing attempts are successful. Use them…they know how to grow their product.
Enjoy each step – forward or backwards – that you take, in and of itself.
I’m no expert at all…I just like to dig in the dirt. 😀
Hope this helps, and sorry that I got so long-winded.