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- April 22, 2008 at 2:10 am #39573JeanParticipant
I am looking for some help to get my electric fence to get 4 lights on my tester instead of 2.
I have 2, 8 foot ground poles attached to the solar fencer. My fence is a combination of wire and rope.
Can anybody give me some ideas to try without going to a fencer that needs to be plugged in?
Thanks,
Jean
April 22, 2008 at 2:36 am #46584jen judkinsParticipantJean, I am assuming when you say ‘wire and rope’ …you are referring to polybraid as the ‘rope’. With my solar charger, I had to ground with three 10 foot rods. Though that was in winter with several feet of snow. Its very ‘hot’ right now!
The most common flaw in most fences is grounding, so I’m told, so I would look there first. Also look for shorts or fence contact by shrubs. That’s all I know, lol. My belgian baby has shortened my learning curve by alot this year! Jennifer.
April 22, 2008 at 11:02 am #46582Does’ LeapParticipantWe rely on electric fencing to contain our 70+ goats and other livestock. Goats, true to reputation, are extremely difficult to contain. Although we don’t use solar energizers, I have some suggestions regarding your fence issue. Fence issues generally boil down to two key issues:
- Having enough joules to keep adequate voltage on your fence. This is determined by both the size of your energizer and the load (grass, etc.) on your fence.
- Having an adequate grounding system to transfer the voltage through the animal back to ground to complete the circuit.
I would start by testing your ground. You can do this by purposely shorting out your fence by laying a bunch of polywire on the ground or even driving a steel stake partially in the ground (away from your grounding system) and attaching it to your polywire. You can then measure voltage on your ground (i.e. read the voltage at your ground rod). I shoot for 300 volts or less but anything under 500 volts should be adequate. If you are above 500 volts, you need a better grounding system.
Once you have a good ground, make sure your fence is isn’t shorted out anywhere (i.e. walk your fence). Now read your voltage. If it is adequate (minimum of 3000 volts), you’re all set. If lower, I suggest a more powerful energizer.
I realize that you have a light indicator for your tester, I suggest borrowing or buying a meter that reads voltage in order for you to figure out what is going on.
Good luck.
George
April 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm #46578ngcmcnParticipantJean:
solar charger batteries only last so long, if its old or weak the panel won’t charge it and store power.
we have a solar charger with three grounds in very dry soil which equals no conductivity, it only works with a saturating rain. Its going to be moved.
and…….you’ve heard the old grounding parable? about taking a back-hoe, digging a big enough hole to put the back hoe inthen attaching your ground to it and burying it? a culvert, wet area, we’ve even used old half buried barb wire fence for a ground and the solar charger would kick your butt.
good luck
Neal
April 23, 2008 at 2:23 am #46583Crabapple FarmParticipantA few more thoughts: check power in several locations. Our fence makes a loop out from the barn, around the field, and back, so the “far” and “near” ends (as measured in wire from the fencer) are quite close to eachother and so easy to compare. If I can see a voltage drop between them, then I know that I have either a short (or many, when the grass grows up) or poor conductivity. If they read about the same but a physically far point shows a drop, then the ground is the problem. We’ve got soil that stays moist always, so haven’t had much problem with grounding, but in dry soil (i’ve heard) even with good grounding there’s a limit to how far the electricity can travel through the ground – since it’s the water in the soil that is the conductor. And if the top six inches are bone dry, no amount of grounding at the other end is going to give you a good shock in the field without a seriously powerful fencer.
-TevisApril 23, 2008 at 10:28 am #46577RodParticipantI have a fence tester that shows current as well as voltage and shows the current direction. It is really very handy for determining where shorts are in it fence as you just follow the current arrow until the current changes and you know you just passed the short by. Sometimes shorts are hard to find, maybe in a piece of underground wire or a failed insulator etc.
I agree however about the ground. This is critical to a good fence. I have one of my chargers grounded to a metal culvert that is always wet and the other one with ground rods in a swampy area 400 feet from the charger location. In both cases I run the ground wire back to the charger on one of my non-hot fence wires.April 23, 2008 at 12:51 pm #46579CIWParticipantHave you tried pouring five gallon bucket of salt brine around the grounding rods? Doing this seems to maintain better conductivity between the rods and the earth as salt water is a better conductor than plain water and it will draw moisture to the imediate area around the rods.
Barring any other problems with your system this has helped me during dry times of the year.
Another common problem with grounding rods is the lug not being tight enough to promote good conductivity. Sometimes you have to really crank on it. This can be checked with an ohm meter.April 23, 2008 at 7:06 pm #46576Carl RussellModeratorIf you have porcelain insulators, they can fail with the smallest spider cracks. I bought a brand new box once that after a heavy dew, you could hear the fence line crackle. Test the nails on your insulators to see if you’re losing current there. As far as solar fence chargers go, March and April have been pretty poor solar months and there may be enough charge to run the fencer, but not enough to mount much power. Also we bought a Gallagher s17 that had me second guessing myself for two years. I completely re-insulated one field, and drove ground rods. Along the way the dealer replaced this part or that in the charger, which seemed to work better at times, but finally it was apparent that the solar panel was defective, and when that was replaced, it has been awesome. It was confusing, because it appeared to function correctly enough, and the last thing you would assume is that a brand new solar panel didn’t work. So check all angles. I love to hunt and fish too, so I don’t mean to knock anybody, but if you have a fence line where someone might go to access the woods, or a brook, sportsmen are renowned for grounding out a fence so they can cross, using an old piece of fence wire, or such. Good luck. Carl
April 23, 2008 at 11:01 pm #46580JeanParticipantWow, thanks everybody.
The first thing I am going to try is tightening the lugs on the ground rod. I had my first solar fencer up for 3 years and it worked great. Someone told me that I need a eight foot ground pole, so I pulled out my short 4 foot ground pole and the fence has never worked the same. I replaced the fencer and added another 8 foot ground pole. Exactly the same low current. I tried to find my old 4 foot ground pole, but being so small it is hard to find. It could be as simple as me not putting the lug on right when I switched poles.
In the winter the only time I would get any power to the lines was if I poured water onto the ground poles. I did not get any more power then, then I do now.
Having this problem is making it very tempting to have the power company run a line from the power pole to the barn. However, I know that I would not stop at a electric fence. The next thing you know I would have real lights, that stay on more then 90 minutes and running hot water. Heck why stop there, I might as well get a flush toilet!
Jean
November 9, 2008 at 7:43 pm #46586TBigLugParticipantWe were always told not to use copper for a ground since the way it oxidizes lessens it’s contact with ground. I use 10′ ground rods from the hardare store used for grounding electrical boxes. I have 3 on it right now but could use one more (lots of sand, hard to get a good ground.)
November 10, 2008 at 2:22 am #46581JeanParticipantFunny this came up again today. One of my horses must have gotten his foot in the electric fence and in his fury to free himself he kicked the post so hard and pulled on the fence so much that 5 insulators went flying. Some as far as 50 feet from the fence line. My charger is so far from the barn it took me a while to get to it to shut it off to fix the fence. After I checked that everybody was ok, I thought it would make more sense to have my charger closer the barn. I could not pull the 3 steel rods out of the ground, so I put in some that I had laying around in the garage. 2 are cooper, and 1 is steel. Then I read that I should not use cooper, for the very reason John stated.
After that long story, it does not matter anyway because the new expensive solar charger will not power on any more. It was working last weekend. Could it have shorted out when the fence was being pulled and tugged?
Thank goodness no one was hurt, but the will not be happy when I put them in the smaller field with board fence tomorrow.
November 10, 2008 at 2:45 am #46575Gabe AyersKeymasterSounds like you need a new battery in the solar charger?
The really expensive ground rods are copper. The cheaper ones are galvanized.
Several ground rods really helps. We have two stallions behind electric fence so we know it is important to keep them hot.
They know when it’s not.
May 7, 2010 at 2:58 pm #46590jacParticipantWe use electric fences to keep the horses off the hay ground. Dont use rope but use the inch and half tape.. It seems to flap realy badly in the wind and usualy breaks the plasic clips eventualy.. so I put 4 or 5 twists in each span and it stopped the violent flapping.Got the idea thinking about those tall metal chimneys you see in factories that have a slow spiral running up the outside to stabalise them in high winds… The things you think of when out fencing !!??:rolleyes:
JohnMay 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm #46588minkParticipantyou should unhook your fence from the charger and test it there, could be it wont light up more than 2 lights on the tester……..mink
May 8, 2010 at 2:14 am #46585near horseParticipantHi Jean,
Here’s a copy of “how to test your grounding system” from the Powerflex website. They have some good ideas in their tutorial section. It’s hard for me to imagine you “easterners” would have trouble grounding at all, let alone this time of year. Wyoming (or Idaho) in summer – sure thing!
Good luck Jean.
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