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- November 4, 2008 at 7:30 pm #39873medmonsonParticipant
While tied up at the hitchen post one of my mares likes to squeeze me when I get between them harnessing… besides using brute force to push her butt over how do you get her to move it without pushing?
November 5, 2008 at 1:28 am #47900OldKatParticipantI had the same problem with my mares. I found that sheer brute force did NOT work in getting them to move away from me. In fact generally the harder I tried to push, the harder they pushed back. Luckily I noticed that they were doing this while they were still young, so I started working with them in the slip (tie) stall while I was feeding. Generally they have to move to one side or the other to let me by when I am bringing their feed and/or hay to the trough/manger.
What worked for me was to catch them side stepping to let me by and I would say “OVER” in a firm, but matter of fact way. Everytime they moved out my way I would praise them and pet their necks. Eventually I added pressing a single finger into their hip just behind the middle of the flank with the normal “OVER”. They caught on in just a matter of days that I wanted them to move away when they heard the word “OVER” OR when they felt my index finger pressing into their hip.
Sometimes they will still get confused and move the wrong direction, in other words INTO me instead of AWAY from me when I say over … especially if we are not in the slip stall. At that point I have to remember DO NOT push against them. Generally as soon as they contact me they recognize their error and start to move back away. However, if they don’t I press the index finger straight into the hip & give the over command. Remember to praise when they do yield right of way to you and in no time you should have a well mannered team.
Hope this helps … it is what worked for me.
November 5, 2008 at 2:11 am #47902TBigLugParticipantOldKat’s got the right idea. My filly did the same thing when I first bought her. One thing to remember is to always yield your pressure as soon as they give to your command so they’ll correlate the release of pressure with doing the right thing. Hope it helps. Oh yeah, and be patient.
November 5, 2008 at 1:35 pm #47898medmonsonParticipantThanks for the advice! I’ll give it a whirl
November 6, 2008 at 1:05 am #47901OldKatParticipant@TBigLug 3297 wrote:
OldKat’s got the right idea. My filly did the same thing when I first bought her. One thing to remember is to always yield your pressure as soon as they give to your command so they’ll correlate the release of pressure with doing the right thing. Hope it helps. Oh yeah, and be patient.
A couple of other things that I thought about today after I read this post. TBigLug is correct, when I apply the index finger to their hip I basically keep my finger stationary, or at least move with them only so much as to get them started moving over. Once they move my hand remains where it is, giving them the release they are looking for.
The other thing, don’t forget that you can use the same process to move their front end … finger pressed into the shoulder, or their whole body … finger pressed into their ribs. I most admit mine are not as good with these last two as they are with their rump ends. Then again, I don’t ask them to move their whole body or their front end as often as I do their rump.
I think you will find that over time they will begin to give you space whenever needed without your even having to ask for it.
Good luck with the training.
November 6, 2008 at 9:27 am #47893Carl RussellModeratorI think it is also important to make yourself known. Speak to the horse and let them know you are there, and that you don’t appreciate being squished. You don’t have to bark, just speak admonishingly to them.
Many times the horse will step out of your way to be able to look back at you.
Also, I have had good luck with the soft pressure point in the flank, just behind the ribs and in front of the hip. Very little pressure here should get them to step quickly to the side.
If the index finger doesn’t work, use the elbow, pushing not jabbing, in the ribs for the front end. When you get the intended result, move to the lighter touch of the finger and reinforce.
It will also help if you work on this every time you are near your horses, rather than waiting for a misdemeanor to try to correct it.
Carl
November 7, 2008 at 1:23 am #47903TBigLugParticipantCarl’s right on the money with speaking to them. I’d forgotten since I do it almost unconciously. Best conversations I have.
November 7, 2008 at 2:51 am #47897dominiquer60ModeratorI have used similar techniques that are being discussed here with great success. I just wanted to add that you can transition to a verbal command such as “over” or we used to use a kissing sound. A cluck was always a command to move forward, and a kissing noise was asking for a lateral movement, such as moving over on the cross ties, moving sideways to the mounting block, or sidepassing while working a gate while mounted. You can get them to the point that you don’t have to touch them at all. Now that I think about, it the old mare would respond to a small kissing noise with a slight reaction and a longer more aggressive kissing noise with bigger sideways steps until a whoa let her know where to plant her feet. I am sure that there are many variations of verbal commands for moving a horse over, this is the one that we used.
November 7, 2008 at 3:25 am #47904TBigLugParticipant@dominiquer60 3347 wrote:
I am sure that there are many variations of verbal commands for moving a horse over, this is the one that we used.
It’s funny you mentioned that. My g/f is a riding horse trainer for 20 years and is famous for saying “It doesn’t matter if your command is ‘Peanut Butter’ as long as it’s always ‘Peanut Butter'”.
November 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm #47899medmonsonParticipantWell I tried to move her butt with the finger and elbow in the side which made her lean into me more. Gave her a tap on the hip with a piece of driving line and she moved over and stood still. Did the same today with same result. I guess she decided I was serious and should get with the program.
November 9, 2008 at 1:58 am #47905TBigLugParticipantGood for you. Keep showing her you mean business and she’ll be moving by voice only in no time!
November 10, 2008 at 1:29 am #47894Carl RussellModeratormedmonson;3387 wrote:Well I tried to move her butt with the finger and elbow in the side which made her lean into me more. Gave her a tap on the hip with a piece of driving line and she moved over and stood still. Did the same today with same result. I guess she decided I was serious and should get with the program.Sounds like you have made some progress, but I’m a bit concerned that you were unsuccessful with pressure. There should be no way that your horse resist pressure in the flank area, between rib and hip.
This is a very soft and sensitive area, and quite commonly used as a pressure point to get a horse to step over. The fact that she pushed back makes me wonder if she won’t do that again, even after you get her to step over with your tapping method.
I think you need to have respect from her when you are next to her. Try to remember that you need to be bigger than her, at least in her mind, and that she has no business pushing against you.
It is important that once you undertake an effort to push her over that you not let her get away with standing still, or worse pushing back. That is why it is important to use the soft part of the flank, using your hand like a blade (several fingers together for extra rigidity), push until she steps over. She will not be able to resist you.
Keep up the good work, Carl
February 5, 2009 at 4:47 am #47896TinaYParticipantI had one that did this…now she moves if you fluff the hair on her hip. That is, if she doesn’t move just by me looking at her hip.
The key is to start soft (fluff the hair) and get progressively harder until she moves. If your finger isn’t enough, do some rhythmic tapping with the end of a strap or something. Once she moves IMMEDIATELY stop asking and rub her so she knows she did the right thing. Only ask for one step to start with and reward the slightest try…even if it’s just a shift of weight. Every time you ask her to move, start softly and gradually increase the pressure. Once she’s doing one step with very light pressure, then you can ask for more.
It works best sometimes if you practice it while she’s not tied…she might be slightly claustrophobic and not as able to concentrate on you when tied.
Good luck!
ps~ If you rely on brute force, I guarantee you’ll lose…unless she’s a mini!
February 6, 2009 at 5:17 am #47895CIWParticipantThis is one of those cases where less is more. A horse can feel a fly land on its hair. They have highly developed hearing.
It stands to reason that they only need you to ask in those manners and levels.
Before I got my mares they had competed pulling. They get high, really quick. Thats why I was able to get them. They kept running away with the old man and he didn’t have the means to work them through it.
They taught me that the lower and more gentle I asked for something. Anything. The more compliant they were. Always trying to get softer.
I have had great sucess dealing on this level. They know exactly where I am at and actually have started interpreting my body language alone. Something like the movement of my head will cause their movement. Especially the one that tended to get high the easiest.
The other thing that I have become aware of is my position in relationship to what I was asking them to do.
Also mules excell at this level of communication.
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