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  • #40042
    goodcompanion
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    Link to the Onion website…satirical, if you’re not aware.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/man_who_crossed_nation_in_balloon

    I did check the website the guest mentions, (http://www.horsesdeservebetter.com) and it’s not real. But in the process of doing so I did learn about peta’s latest campaign–renaming fish “sea kittens.” Don’t believe it? Check out:

    http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/

    #48909
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    Yeah, Prior to 2008 NEAPFD we were approached by a local chapter of an animal rights group offended by our display of people forceably enslaving animals to perform menial physical tasks.

    While I absolutely agree that animals can be neglected and abused for foolish human discretion, the argument can not be applied to all such human/animal relationships.

    The reality is lost on them, that their generalization is supported from the comfortable position of a global petroleum-based economy, and that when we extend the same outrage that they express into other sectors of ecology, or even human culture, the solution involves the dissolution of that very structure that insulates them from the realities of humane human/animal relationships.

    The trick is not to fall into a discussion with them, because their tactics, although they proclaim not to be confrontational, are all about trying to develop conflict directed at them, bolstering their position through sympathy.

    Carl

    #48921
    Jean
    Participant

    I have been a vegetarian (not vegan) for 27 years, which makes a lot of people assume that I believe in what PETA stands for, but I don’t.

    It seems that both PETA and the national humane society want all farm animals (cows, chickens, pigs etc) to be only loved pets. While this is warm and fuzzy thinking, one has to wonder what happens to all the farm animals that are alive now. Should they be let loose to wonder the world alone? Do we let them go extinct because we no longer need them to survive in their (PETA) world since we are all vegans living on bean pods. Crazy!

    I am all for humane slaughter, would like to see more small farms provide for the community they live in. But I understand that won’t happen on a large scale. Thank goodness we in Vermont do have a number of ways to get local meat. I encourage my family that does eat meat to buy locally, I don’t even mind cooking it for them, just can’t eat it myself.

    I would invite some of the local PETA over to take care of my horse after he has not been “forced” to work for a little while. He goes a bit crazy and is not a lot of fun to be around. I am sure a lot of us have those horses in our pastures.

    Jean

    #48942
    Robert MoonShadow
    Participant

    Out West here, there’s been more than one attempt by lawmakers to declare PETA a terrorist orginization –> some evidence leads to the belief that they are still associated with, and a conduit of funds for, ecoterrorist groups such as ELF & ALF. I know that it’s very hard to inform people about USHS… everyone believes that the local humane society is the same thing – sometimes, sometimes not – and that they just want to save the little puppies & kitties. I’d just tend to ignore them, but we don’t dare to, if we want to keep on doing what we do.

    #48915
    goodcompanion
    Participant

    @Carl Russell 4812 wrote:

    The trick is not to fall into a discussion with them

    Carl

    Couldn’t agree more. And on that note, if you haven’t watched the Onion video in the link in my first post up there at the top, you should. It’s “Today Now!” which is the Onion’s spoof version of Good Morning America. The ballonist’s T-shirt at the end is the best part.

    And in the “Sea Kitten” website, read the “sea kitten stories.” The best one is the one involving a sea kitten becoming “bitter and insane” and plotting making a “land kitten soufflé” in revenge for sea kitten deaths.

    My in-laws gave me a copy of Gene Baur’s Farm Sanctuary, and I have to say that it, too, really pushed my buttons. Such an asinine viewpoint, words fail me utterly. If you believe in real relationships between humans and animals for work, food, and fertility, then you can buy it and it can push your buttons too.

    Incidentally, my in-laws didn’t do this to me on purpose. It was just a “farm book” in the bookstore and therefore something I would probably like. Not their fault.

    #48933
    cherprit
    Participant

    Last Memorial day hubby and I hooked the mare to a VERY light wagon, and headed off to the local produce stand for strawberries. We were feeling great, flag flying, mare trotting with ears up. A passing motorist rolled down his window and screamed “Animal Cruelty!” It upset me so much, and got me to thinking that we really need to push our own education in the public view, before we are cornered to only work behind fences, away from public scorn. Any chance I get, I share the draft horse experience with others. We can’t let them get ahead of us!

    #48935
    dominiquer60
    Moderator

    Inevitably I get into an unintentional debate with some welling meaning (aren’t we all) vegan/animal rights person about the use of animals. It usually ends with me trying to explain to them that their over-processed soy based or raw diets can’t be grown without fertilizer. They are usually for organic products and have a really hard time understanding that we can’t grow organic plants without animal based products. So the act of eating organic vegetation promotes the use of animal products and by-products. They get quite at this point and are generally done with the debate. One even told me later on that she became vegetarian but only buys local eggs and dairy that she can visit and trust, I let her know that was the best way to buy everything anyway.

    #48943
    Robert MoonShadow
    Participant

    Cherprit ~ I agree, we need to makes efforts to counter these people… so, let’s talk “How?” –> for one, when I get this donkey trained up to drive, I’ll do w/ him as I used to w/ Elvis (although he was only a pack/ride animal): I took many of my veggies & assorted items in a pack on Elvis, to the local domestic violence shelter. Always made a point of letting people know the efforts Elvis made in the garden. He enjoyed the attention of them kids (and not a few adults!), the women’s spirits were lightened for a moment or two (hey – if you put laughter in their child’s voice, you put a smile in the mother’s heart), and maybe a few went away with the idea of the value of a good work animal. I’m really looking forward to Dragon’s debut w/ a wagon!! This is just one example of how we can make an impact AND positive opinions of our neighbor in the community. ‘Cuz just how far do you think PETA will get w/ them ladies & kids, now, huh? 😀
    So, how about it? Anyone else have ideas?

    #48936
    dominiquer60
    Moderator

    Consumer Education, and fortunately we are all consumers! Anytime I am around animals and people, generally they are consuming the sites, I take full advantage of answering peoples questions and making them feel important for asking. I run the poultry barn at my county fair and educate folks for 6 days straight, it is tiring, but I take every chance that I can get.

    Last year we had a birthing center where a calf was born everyday. One of the calves had to be pulled, it had been in there for longer than the vet and the owner wanted. Two middle aged women behind me were horrified when they pulled the calves out with chains. I reassured them that something far worse could have happened. What, they asked. I told them that the mother and the calf could have both died if they hadn’t pulled the calf. It took a minute to sink in and they admitted that would certainly be worse, but it seems harsh to use chains to pull the calf. such is life the calf is alive, healthy and no worse for wear.

    I also have a hen that acts as an PR rep to fair goers, she roams free when I am around to watch her. The smiles that she brings to peoples faces are priceless, if kids are quiet and slow enough she will let them pet her. I explain that not all my hens are this tame but all my hens are treated as well as she is treated. I also used to bring a rooster to the farmers markets, he sat on my sign and greeted customers every week, a priceless tool to promote animal welfare conversation. When I get farming again one of the first things that I will do is to train a new market rooster.

    I think you have a good thing going, get animals and people together and use it as a chance to educate them.

    Erika

    #48927
    jen judkins
    Participant

    Oh what people don’t know about animals… it amazes me sometimes!

    I’ve had neighbors call the police because all my horses were laying down out in the pasture one day…..they apparently looked quite ill.

    Even tonight on my way out of the door at work, one of my colleagues asked me if I was gonna bring my horses into the barn tonight for the cold spell. When I said, ‘nope, no need’, she looked horrified.

    I know most people have the best of intentions and most even are pleasantly surprised when I explain to them why a horse does so well in the cold and why shutting them in a barn is counter productive. They simply don’t know…

    But PETA…..well, even before my horse days back in college, I knew they were all about publicity and ‘shock value’, not about education….in fact I happily don’t personally know anyone who takes them seriously:D.

    #48928
    jen judkins
    Participant

    BTW, Erika, how do you train a rooster?

    #48931
    416Jonny
    Participant

    I’ve got a website for y’all that is some what equally sensational as most of the older PETA campaigns used to be (before they began funding domestic terrorists):

    http://www.PETAkillsanimals.com

    Studying PETA’s history will show an organization that started going some honest good work and then went completely off the wall. The current president has every intention of getting rid of every single pet and livestock animal in the world. Aparently we’re all going to end up eating dirt, mean while we’ll be the animal kindoms servants, fluffing the pillows for all the hippos on the Nile.

    Reality and logic plays no part in there agenda.

    I wish they’d stick to screwing over huge slaughter houses.

    #48940
    Git-Up-Doc
    Participant

    I agree with Jen about PETA using the “shock and awe” method to gain followers. However I think that the whole extremist method they use, as well as the people against them use is the wrong way to go about it.

    heres to Educating the public about draft animals, and livestock in general !

    #48910
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    Hey Erik, I’m not sure what I just watched. I don’t get exposed to TV enough these days to know much about the Onion. Was that whole thing a spoof, or did they just have on that serious guy and spoof him hard? Man the looks on that woman’s face!!! And to follow up that interview with recipes to Americanize your Tacos. Absolutely nuts. I had to laugh.

    Although I have no tolerance for neglect and abuse of any animals, I’ve got to say that when we start getting PSA’s on the radio letting us know that when it’s 20 below, NO animals should be outdoors, I wonder where that is coming from, and do they really mean NO animals, or are they just reminding cat and dog owners that their pet is freezing to the porch steps?
    With so many people generations, and miles, away from farms, those kinds of statements only serve to dumb down the public even more.

    Carl

    #48916
    goodcompanion
    Participant

    The “Onion News Network” (Since 1899) is entirely fake, all staged with actors all around. But done in such a professional style–check out the onion-shaped motif in the chrome decor on the talk-show set, for instance. These short little clips are all that exist of the show, there is no real network.

    I also enjoyed the panel discussion, “Is Halloween becoming too commercialized?” and the documentary news piece about american parents outsourcing child care to India (using big fedex boxes).

    I have been a fan of the Onion since it was a free college weekly in UW Madison in the 90s, paid for by ads for beer and wings. They have since gone big-time, but still manage to hit close enough to home to really make you wonder if it’s in earnest from time to time. For instance, early in the Iraq war the Onion ran a piece about how the U.S. govt was contracting to Fox to create a reality-show competition (all contestants living in the same NYC suite, song-and-dance-based challenges included). The winner of this contest would be installed by the U.S as the new president of Iraq. This article was picked up and reported as fact by the Chinese wire service and the second-largest newspaper in Spain.

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