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- March 9, 2009 at 12:02 am #40298JeanParticipant
I took Kruiser out today with the wheels back on the forecart. He was full of himself in the beginning. I have not had the time to get him out for a long time. He was very good at coming down to my speed when I told him to, and trotted nicely when I asked him. We were on our last loop around and I think he had had enough. This is the first time he tried something like this with me. I am not sure if he was spooked, or if he took off because he thought it was a way to get my attention.
Either way, it was exciting. He went from a slow walk to a gallop in one step. He ran for maybe 30 seconds, but it seemed like forever. Finally my friend Cathy that was with me grabbed the lines too and we both pulled him back down. He did a bit of jig and backed up a few paces, then relaxed. He walked off nicely and finished the trip calmly. This has been my biggest fear with driving, it has taken me almost a year just to let him trot. After it was done I realized it was not as scary as I thought it was going to be. He has always been very good while hooked to the cart. He was breathing pretty hard, but had not broke into a sweat.
Anyway we went home and unharnessed him. He was tired and relaxed by the time we let him go.
He is a Cheval Canadian and I have heard that breed can be kind of silly at times.
As they say if it does not kill you we can learn from it.
Jean
March 9, 2009 at 1:22 am #50688jen judkinsParticipantJean, I took Peanut out today too. I havn’t worked him all winter…he had a hind leg injury (fight with a fence line) and then it snowed…blah, blah blah.
Anyway, I hitched him up today and for the first 10 minutes he was full of himself. But he came right back to where we were last fall in no time. I was very pleased. I drove him on the snaffle…no leverage. I took him down the road and on the way back we trotted a long hill and at the top I got a nice ‘whoa’…the kind where he is seriously considering not moving. He was breathing moderately hard. I know this is a benefit I will not be able to take advantage of later when he is fitter.:rolleyes:
I noticed on the down hill that he crow hopped abit and then I realized that the breaching was way up on his butt. He has obviously grown abit since the fall. So I let the breaching out 2 holes! WoW…thats alot of expansion in a few months.
Anyway, it was a good day for a drive!
March 9, 2009 at 1:41 am #50691Robert MoonShadowParticipantJean ~ I’m glad you’re safe.
March 9, 2009 at 4:43 am #50693ADKLoggerParticipantJean, I have to admit that since I have gotten my new buddy Petey, we took the make shift sled for a ride one day up the road and I let off the reigns a bit and he actully got into a pretty good gallop, and I could tell he was having a good time for a while, but then I brought him back in to a slow trot and there was a whole shift in his demeanor.
I guess just like kids we gotta let them burn it off, and they will pay even closer attention to what is going on. Unless there is something you do not trust about your bud, don’t be afraid to give him the reigns once and a while. And don’t hesitate to listen to a little George Strait to set your mind right.;)
Both Petey and I grow each day we do something, and the story continues.
-Frank
March 9, 2009 at 5:07 am #50690OldKatParticipant@ADKLogger 6837 wrote:
Jean, I have to admit that since I have gotten my new buddy Petey, we took the make shift sled for a ride one day up the road and I let off the reigns a bit and he actully got into a pretty good gallop, and I could tell he was having a good time for a while, but then I brought him back in to a slow trot and there was a whole shift in his demeanor.
I guess just like kids we gotta let them burn it off, and they will pay even closer attention to what is going on. Unless there is something you do not trust about your bud, don’t be afraid to give him the reigns once and a while. And don’t hesitate to listen to a little George Strait to set your mind right.;)
Both Petey and I grow each day we do something, and the story continues.
-Frank
Now you’re talking Cowboy Cool!
March 9, 2009 at 12:05 pm #50680PlowboyParticipantEverybody likes George Strait but for that particular situation Chris Ledoux is more appropriate something like “Horsepower” or “He Rides the Wild Horses”. For plowing it’s, Jason Aldean “Amarillo Sky”. Cutting corn, Craig Morgan “International Harvester”. Hanging out with friends and family Zac Brown Band “Chicken Fried”. In the video “Chronicles of a Biological Woodsman”, Jason used a little ZZ Top for background music skidding some big timber with 4-up and that was pretty cool. Whatever it takes to get your mind right. It’s my day off gotta go paint the babies room, mark some trees for one of my customers, spread some manure with a team we haven’t used for a couple months, work on the corn binder, and check out the brakes on my wifes car. Did I say day off well at least I don’t have to go to my day job today.
March 9, 2009 at 4:50 pm #50692Robert MoonShadowParticipantActually, with this season of late winter/earl spring & mud – then frozen – then mud… I’m feeling that Stevie Ray Vaughn is most appropriate: “Couldn’t Stand the Weather”. 🙁
March 10, 2009 at 10:53 am #50687Donn HewesKeymasterHi Everyone, i will take on the role of neighborhood curmudgeon today. Just pretend I didn’t get any coffee when I got up. Jean I am concerned about what you learned from this event. If what you learned is to not be afraid when an animal bolts, or that you can control that fear enough to still be useful to yourself and the horse this is a good thing. If you believe it means you can control an animal when they bolt, or that this will always be true, I think that is a dangerous idea. These animals can become extremely frightened AFTER they bolt. This can depend on what they are hooked to, noises that change as a result of the speed changing, and many other factors. The space that we have available to work in is also very important. being out in a large field or an open road is great. Next time there might not be enough room to turn before hitting trees or other obstacles. The last thing I migth suggest you learned would be that the moment to prevent this from happening was missed. It involved watching the animal (mostly his head) more intently and recognizing signs that he was not completely calm and relaxed.
Frank, I am sorry but I can’t agree with the notion that we should just “give him the reigns once in a while”. In fact I don’t think you give him anything. I think he took them and then you you tried to accept what had altready happened. If I want to trot, I will say “trot now”, if I don’t we better still be walking. People often ask me if my horses and mules enjoy their work. I always reply “I have no idea” and if they have half the brains I think they do mowing around in circles for four hours in the hot sun isn’t the funnest thing they have ever done. Two important things come from me not focusing on whether they are enjoying themselves. I never forget that they are “willing” to work, I that is because I am responsible for their care and comfort.
I hope I haven’t upset anyone by responding today. My only motivation is a care for the folks I have met here and to offer an opinion that might be helpful or useful. I hope you will take it in that light. Donn
March 10, 2009 at 11:24 am #50683JeanParticipantDonn, I appreciate your words.
Here is what I learned, I have enough time with this horse to not totally freak out when he does something like this and once I get him back under control I can keep holding the lines. I have had him a year and because of some good peoples attempt of telling me about him I heard more bad stories then good. So I have been expecting something like this. He has pulled similar things on the ground when he has had enough, I have posted a video showing some of that.
Prior to his last outburst on Sunday I did bring him down to a walk every time he picked up speed without me telling him to. I would ask him to trot later. I can not see a time that I would ever ask him to go any faster then a trot, just because of his sillyness. But who knows last year I did not think I would ever dare trot him, so we have advanced.
I do need to learn to watch for when he is tired and when he is getting geared up. He seems to like being out, his ears are up all the time, his body language is telling me that he is excited, but he has always (until Sunday) been easy to calm down. Having said that, Cathy and I were chatting a lot and normally I am talking more to him then to the person with me.
See what happens when I am up early, the chores are done, fire wood is in, dogs are fed and I have had my first cup of coffee.
Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM91CFOHYCkMarch 10, 2009 at 1:47 pm #50686Donn HewesKeymasterHi Jean, I am glad you took my comments as they were intended. I watched the video and found it interesting. If I could I take the risk of a few more suggestions? These are just thoughts and things I might try. I always remind myself that I am not there and haven’t met the horse. Please take anything I say in that light. I think he is a handsome horse. Full of spirit and eager to please. In the round pen scenes your directions to him are a little quick and a little loud ( not just your voice, but also the lung whip and body) for a horse that is paying so much attention to you. If we want him to be calm and relaxed we must be calm and relaxed. Just for fun try and do the whole exercise as slowly as possible (slow motion). No trotting allowed, When you ask him to move have him move at a walk (remember he will move in relation to your volume). When you are next to him after leading him in, and you want to move away to make enough space to start him make him stand still while you do that. Go slow, he has learned that he wants to follow you and that is good. Now we are asking him to do something different. Wait still while you move away. Don’t have him move until you are ready and give a command. Realizing that in the round pen scenario one hand is always leading the horse and the other is driving it. try it with out the lung whip. hold the lung rope in the leading hand – only let him out about fifteen feet at first. take the excess in small lopes in your driving hand. Keep both hands out at your sides, one in front of him to lead him the other behind to drive him. This let’s him know where we want him to go. But keep your hands down at waist level, higher is louder. A little shake of the loops will be enough to make him walk off. A little shake will keep him walking. A little tug with the leading hand will steer him and refocus him when his head drifts out side the circle. To get him to stop, relax both hands right in front of you at the waist. Take a step a head of him, ( not towards him) if needed. Don’t say whoa until he stops unless you already KNOW he will. If he reacts in a way that you don’t understand or appreciate, realize it may well have been something you did, not him. Be calm, quite, let him settle and continue to look for the cues that you can give, that get the results you desire. I could try to describe the steps for having him change directions if you like. I think Kruiser is a beauty. I would love to seem him skid some not too big, not too small logs and learn walking as a natural state. Obviously I have had coffee by now so no excuses. I hope any of this is helpful. Donn
March 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm #50684JeanParticipantDonn, I love the suggestions.
I can’t wait to try them. Kruiser is the first horse I have ever done any round pen kind of work with. As you can see I am not very relaxed in my position. You have given me some great ideas and I think that we will both benefit from them. Because Kruiser has been known to come at me with his front feet (the example in the video is much improved from our first attempts) I think I over do my commands. In the beginning of our relationship he would get me cornered at the mini’s barn and strike at me. I sent him away for professional help (me too) after that and I can now worm or clean his feet without restraining him. I can also walk him calmly and respectfully on a lead, in the early days he pushed me all over the place.
He does look to me and I take that as a good sign. I too would love to see him do some work around here. I have a small manure spreader that I bought to go on the back of the forecart, he should be pulling that!
I am on vacation next week, I think Kruiser and I will have some fun together.
Thanks for your insights.
Jean
March 10, 2009 at 10:07 pm #50681PlowboyParticipantI have worked with some horses that were very eager to please until they feel they’ve had enough. They throw a little fit when they want to quit like pawing or rammy starts or starting up before they are asked. More work usually smooths things out. If you have a forecart get a small tractor tire and drag behind it. A little resistance works wonders for a horse with an attitude problem. When he decides he’s had enough he may not have the extra energy to bolt on you. If he does at least if you have to go a ways again he is working and just not pulling a light forecart with no resistance. If you have a week off drive him every day with some sort of resistance and you might see an attitude change. Don’t be afraid to work him until he’s tired, in the long run it will do you both good. Working on your relationship and comfort level in the round pen definately won’t hurt but work will bring your horse around to your way of thinking. You might not want to hook him to that manure spreader too soon unless he’s used to the noise it makes. Good Luck you sound like you are gritty enough to hang in there and get the best of your horse.
March 11, 2009 at 3:36 pm #50679Carl RussellModeratorThanks Donn, I think your perspective was important and timely, and I appreciate that you were curmudgeonly (honest and concerned) enough to speak up.
Dennis, I think the point is that no matter how much Jean works that horse, she needs to make some gains in how she handles herself around him, which is the crux of Donn’s points. That is the part of your comments that you leave out, because that is what you bring to your relationship with any horse, based on years of experience and guidance.
I have found that if I have a task for the horse to perform, rather than just going in loops around the field, or for a jaunt down the road, then my leadership, confidence, and focus, are all improved.
Carl
March 12, 2009 at 12:47 am #50682PlowboyParticipantCarl, Agreed I know how to fix the horse but it’s definately hard to put into words how to help the person and the horse. I often get frustrated with folks in my area that ask for advice and help but then won’t put in the time with the horse. I work two jobs and still get some farm work done and horses trained so it has been hard for me to buy their “no time” excuse. I think Jean is commited to making this horse work out. Donn gives good advice about improving the relationship with the horse but along with that he still needs a job to do to become a good respectable work animal.
March 12, 2009 at 1:19 am #50685JeanParticipantPlowboy, Point taken!! Kruiser and I are going to make this work! I am so happy that it is light still when I get home from work.
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