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- March 29, 2009 at 6:02 pm #40378LStoneParticipant
As promised; here are some action photos from the kids bringing home their hay for the first time this weekend. These were taken after the unload. Dubba, these are the mods I did to the hay wagon you sold me (note the pole and the alter. Fifty bales emptied my guy’s barn so now the “hay game” begins. They handled it fine and we skid some cordwood in for next season in the afternoon. This was too much like fun.
March 29, 2009 at 6:16 pm #51306jen judkinsParticipantNice, Larry. You and your horses DO look like you are having some fun!
March 30, 2009 at 2:14 pm #51308LStoneParticipantFun yes, dirty yes. But as you know this weekend as a wash out and still raining. It rained Friday into Saturday and the way to the barn is through the mud. I watched Les Barden’s D-Ring video this weekend, so now I know the “how to and where froms” of measuring the front traces. Guess I’ll turn to on getting those harnesses to fit better. I was partly holding off because they are young and growing as well as the fact that I really haven’t been pulling much weight until I got the big wagon so I better concentrate on it a little more now.
Larry
March 30, 2009 at 4:27 pm #51301Donn HewesKeymasterHi Larry, Your horses look good; it is nice to see everyone starting to get out with the spring. I don’t know if you are looking for any input or not, So please set me straight if need be. From the two pictures I saw from the front I would guess your lines are not adjusted to let their heads work far enough apart. Of course a picture can catch a horse just as they are turning to look at something and I could be totally wrong. Next time you are driving them and they are going well in a straight line look and see if their heads are as far apart as the length of the yoke that seperates them in front. That yoke should match the evener length they are hooked to, which from the pictures it probably does.
Let me know if you want help making an adjustment, Let me know if I am just on the wrong side of the fence. Donn
March 30, 2009 at 5:27 pm #51309LStoneParticipantHi Donn,
I did think something was wrong Saturday and was continuosly after the rein adjustment. No I wasn’t actively looking for help with that but I am having trouble with that exact thing and I would be happy to take advice on this. So the short answer is yes, please help me as this is in my opinion a big problem of mine.
March 30, 2009 at 6:16 pm #51302Donn HewesKeymasterHi Larry, Do you know off hand how long the evener is? If Your evener and yoke are 42″ the Stub line or part of the lines that cross in the middle should be 8″ inches longer than the draft line or line to the out side of the horse. You could shorten or length That a little for a longer or shorter yoke. Move the lines 1 inch in or out for every two inches the evener is longer or shorter. When you are adjusting those lines make sure both lines are adjusted the same.
I keep my lines set up for a smaller evener like I use with out a tongue, for skidding or something. On the harness I keep a small line spreader. Not a big fancy one with lots of rings Just a short leather strap with a ring; About four inches long. Now when I hook to a tongue my lines go through the ring on the spreader, and that moves my team apart. Go through the ring on the hames and that brings them together. I don’t have to adjust my lines that way.
This will get you started but each team may vary a little based on their head and neck and other things. have someone watch and look for two heads relaxed pointing forward at the same moment. Let me know if that helps. Donn
March 30, 2009 at 8:29 pm #51318Michel BoulayParticipantHi Larry, I’ll say the same as Jennifer you all look like your having fun. Nice team, good job on the hay wagon. You are a good month maybe more ahead of us then here way east, New-Brunswick that is, we’re not that far apart but what a difference. You had a rainy weekend and we had a beautiful warm weekend with snow melting along pretty good, but still have a good foot of snow in the fields. Right now we’re in the middle of a snow storm probably that rain you had, we have in snow. A lot of cancelations schools, cultural, sport activities and the rest. Snow started this morning and we’re going to get a foot or more by the time it ends. I don’t like rain that much specialy on weekend but at this time of the year I’ll take the rain before the snow. Have fun with your project and looking foward to read about them.
mikeMarch 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm #51314OldKatParticipant@boulami 7558 wrote:
Hi Larry, I’ll say the same as Jennifer you all look like your having fun. Nice team, good job on the hay wagon. You are a good month maybe more ahead of us then here way east, New-Brunswick that is, we’re not that far apart but what a difference. You had a rainy weekend and we had a beautiful warm weekend with snow melting along pretty good, but still have a good foot of snow in the fields. Right now we’re in the middle of a snow storm probably that rain you had, we have in snow. A lot of cancelations schools, cultural, sport activities and the rest. Snow started this morning and we’re going to get a foot or more by the time it ends. I don’t like rain that much specialy on weekend but at this time of the year I’ll take the rain before the snow. Have fun with your project and looking foward to read about them.
mikeboulami,
I hear what you are saying, rain can sure ruin your plans to do things out of doors. On the other hand, where I live we have had maybe 10 inches of rain the past 9 months (normal is 34 to 44 inches per year) so we will gladly take ALL of the rain you can send our way!
March 30, 2009 at 9:37 pm #51315OldKatParticipant@Donn Hewes 7546 wrote:
Hi Larry, Do you know off hand how long the evener is? If Your evener and yoke are 42″ the Stub line or part of the lines that cross in the middle should be 8″ inches longer than the draft line or line to the out side of the horse. You could shorten or length That a little for a longer or shorter yoke. Move the lines 1 inch in or out for every two inches the evener is longer or shorter. When you are adjusting those lines make sure both lines are adjusted the same.
I keep my lines set up for a smaller evener like I use with out a tongue, for skidding or something. On the harness I keep a small line spreader. Not a big fancy one with lots of rings Just a short leather strap with a ring; About four inches long. Now when I hook to a tongue my lines go through the ring on the spreader, and that moves my team apart. Go through the ring on the hames and that brings them together. I don’t have to adjust my lines that way.
This will get you started but each team may vary a little based on their head and neck and other things. have someone watch and look for two heads relaxed pointing forward at the same moment. Let me know if that helps. Donn
Donn,
How did you learn these things? Is this published somewhere that someone knows about? It sure would be nice to be able to review this as I am trying to make adjustments.
I remember a guy trying to explain this to me one time, about 5 years ago. He might as well have been speaking Russian or something, because it made NO sense to me at the time. Now it is starting to sink in.
March 30, 2009 at 9:49 pm #51316OldKatParticipant@LStone 7499 wrote:
As promised; here are some action photos from the kids bringing home their hay for the first time this weekend. These were taken after the unload. Dubba, these are the mods I did to the hay wagon you sold me (note the pole and the alter. Fifty bales emptied my guy’s barn so now the “hay game” begins. They handled it fine and we skid some cordwood in for next season in the afternoon. This was too much like fun.
Larry,
That is a nice setup you have. That is almost exactly the way I want to set up a wagon. That kind of running gear is rare as hens teeth around here, so I am going to have to go somewhere else to find one. Looks like you are well on your way.
March 31, 2009 at 12:24 am #51303Donn HewesKeymasterHi Old Kat, There are probably several sources for that info. I usually go to Steve Bower’s book “Farming with Horses – More and Better” or something like that. I will have to check the exact title and fix it tomorrow when I get home. He has two books that I think do a good job of explaining some important steps of hitching and driving. they are both good books to use as a reference. Donn
March 31, 2009 at 11:31 am #51310LStoneParticipantDonn and all,
Firstly I want to point out that I don’t want anyone to think I was complaining about the weather here. Although I did refer to its circumstance, I am full mission capable in all weather conditions and expect my tools to be as well. My heart goes out to the people in the “Red River area. Poor souls, They probably haven’t shared on this site recently and I am sure they take little comfort in the fact that my mud may dry out a little today. In fact they are in the middle of many more important things that few of us have experienced or can appreciate. But it is what it is, God’s speed to them.
That said Donn, Yes 42 inches sounds about right. I can double check and start from scratch again today using the same hitch. I have heard the 8 inch measurement before and was using it as a guide and not a rule as I think you suggest. I was aware that horse size came into play and it does in my case (just my luck). That is where I think I confuse myself and the headaches start. If you have an easy way to figure my way through that I would really appreciate it. I have aiming for getting their heads over the center of the neck yoke. That always seems to be effected by the line adjustment I make. that is all logical but I am having trouble with figuring how the bits vs. collars/shoulders should layout. If the bits are even the collars/shoulders aren’t aligned evenly and vica versa. How do we reconcile the center of the neck yoke / bit / collar, given two different size horses. I have generally tried to guesstimate a stupid medium but I am generally unsuccessful (no real suprise there). Anyhow I will be spending the day with them and take pictures again of my handy work and post. Feel free to chime in with suggetsions.
On the harness I keep a small line spreader. Not a big fancy one with lots of rings Just a short leather strap with a ring; About four inches long. Now when I hook to a tongue my lines go through the ring on the spreader, and that moves my team apart. Go through the ring on the hames and that brings them together. I don’t have to adjust my lines that way.
Also Donn I didn’t understand much about this. Could you post a tongue / no tongue scenario highlighting this line spreader?
Thanks for trying to help me work this out.
Larry
March 31, 2009 at 11:54 am #51319littlebowParticipantwas just reading your thread , was just thinking I had the same problem with my colts when I started them , I had two extra driving bits that I used till I got my spreaders built ,all I got now is a leather strap that I sewed by hand with a 1 1/2 ring , didn’t much care for the plastic rings thought they didn’t weather as well, just cuz we get some winter up here , hope it helps
March 31, 2009 at 1:15 pm #51307jen judkinsParticipantLarry, If you want some hands on assistance, may I suggest GMDHA’s driving clinic at Shelburne Farms next month. I went last year (and am going agin this year) and they went over all that stuff, though I plan to pay better attention this year and have a long list of questions this time. Last year, I didn’t know what I didn’t know:eek:, so I never asked.
Anyway, its a good time and worth the trip. I’m on your way if you want to carpool.
March 31, 2009 at 1:29 pm #51304Donn HewesKeymasterLarry, Try not to worry about centering the collars. When a youngster is learning they may wiggle around a little, but given three points that are all in agreement their bodies will naturally want to work in a straight line as they relax. Plus we can’t directly effect the placement of the collar left or right. We can control the yoke, the evener and the lines (ie. the head).
many folks never take the lines off the harness. They just unbuckle The stub line from the inside of the bit and hang it on the opposite horse till next time. provided those lines were put on right to begin with this prevents the confusion in the future of putting a line on backward with the short end going to the wrong horse.
I always take all my lines off completely for several reasons. The main one is I use the same lines to drive several different teams and every day it is different. I also keep all my team lines knotted or buckled at the far end. that makes it hard to leave them on the harness. I order to put the lines on every day and be quick but also be sure I am putting the on right, I don’t look for the long end and the short end. All my lines are set with the stub line coming from the bottom of the buckle. As I stand between the horses, I take the buckle were the lines split in my hand, face up, and I know the line on top goes over the back. Once I have laid them out I move in front of the team and buckle them from one end to the other. because those lines are different length you need a system to make sure they are going on right, especially if you are taking them off as I am every time.
I am not suggesting that you weren’t already doing this but just throwing it out as a general suggestion for anyone looking for a way make sure they are getting them on right.
As Far as my spreaders and how I use them, I will look for a picture to illustrate it. Donn
PS. Steve Bower’s first book was “Farming with Horses” the second was “A Teamster’s View – More and Different” They are both great references but the second one has the perfect descriptions of adjusting your lines. DH
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