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- April 14, 2009 at 8:59 pm #40459RodParticipant
Does anyone know where do the folks in the “Praise of Oxen ” book get those nice twisted whips with the long lashes?
April 14, 2009 at 9:57 pm #51728fabianParticipant@Rod 8057 wrote:
Does anyone know where do the folks in the “Praise of Oxen ” book get those nice twisted whips with the long lashes?
Do you mean a whip like this ?:
http://www.loesdau.de/websale7/Holz-Sulgenpeitsche..htm?shopid=loesdau&act=product&prod_index=4466&cat_index=04-peitschen-gertenYou can click on the pic for enlarging it.
Wolfgang
April 14, 2009 at 10:48 pm #51717RodParticipantThat is a nice one and yes similar. But they show a few real calssy ones in the book, fiberglass and I saw one with a leather cover . Also the lash looks to be about a foot longer than the whip part. My guess is the whip part is about 2′ to 3′ long. I found some wooden twisted whips but the lash available is short.
April 15, 2009 at 12:12 am #51714Carl RussellModeratorRod, I have one that I bought from a teamster near Bridgewater NS whom I met by tracking down people in that book. I have never seen any in the states made like that. I may be able to get in touch with him if you want. I might want a new one, mine’s shorter now from a mishap.
The long leather lash has a waxed braided cord on the end, that when you get practiced, you can take the seed head of a stalk of grass. The old timers up there tell stories about sticking a match in the crack in a table and striking it to flame with the whip!!
No problem getting the cattle’s attention with one of those.
Carl
April 15, 2009 at 12:17 am #51718RodParticipantThat would be great Carl if you could get a lead on one of those for me. Keep me posted on what you dig up. Thank you.
April 15, 2009 at 12:44 pm #51726mullParticipantThe Book, The Pride and Joy of Working Cattle, by Ludwig devotes 17 pages, with photos to describing exactly how to make one yourself. I don’t know if you have the tools or skills to do your own, but he gives the details for anyone who wants to try.
Joe
April 15, 2009 at 3:15 pm #51722VickiParticipantThey make them. A heritage skill for sure. The ones you see in the “praise” book are used by the head yokers who drive from in front. Those have pretty short stock with longer lash.
The ones Ray makes are longer whipstock and used when driving from the side, developed for when carting on roads. I made one under Ray’s tutelage, and it’s no small accomplishment. Ray sometimes has some to sell, but they often sell out in spring as 4H season gets going.Comment/Opinion:
I’ve heard people say a lash is not best for beginners and I agree. It is a skill to place that lash end where it needs to go, with only the appropriate force– a skill I haven’t mastered. Beginners generally do better with a goad: a flexible stick that can be controlled more easily and precisely. It takes time until your body movements that cue your team become second nature, and if you tend at all like I did to be quick and over-reactive, a lash flying around can upset you and and them. Also it’s too easy to get a lash in the ox’s eye, which one young girl I know, who even while a great ox trainer, did too often so she switched to using a goad for basic training.
Howie uses a lash, and knows how to. I prefer a goad, because I am usually on narrow woods trails, and my oxen are short so I can reach where I need. I use the lash in public sometimes for looks, and I used a lash with my 6′ tall team because I couldn’t otherwise reach the off ox.
When your oxen know your moves and respect you, you don’t often have to make contact with the goad or lash; the way you move it cues them.April 15, 2009 at 9:15 pm #51719RodParticipantThe ones you see in the “praise” book are used by the head yokers who drive from in front.
Exactly, that’s where I like to drive from best and I like the lash also and do not have a problem using it properly.
April 16, 2009 at 11:13 am #51723VickiParticipantWhen you get one from NS, let us know how the whipstock is contructed. Twisted wood, leather covered?
April 16, 2009 at 12:43 pm #51715Carl RussellModeratorThe whip stock is made out of plastic. Similar to the plastic goads that some pullers use, but carved down to a taper, and shortened. A leather sheath is stitched onto the handle, including a cord wrapped under the sheath for finger grips. A leather loop is bound onto the end with heavy thread, and the long leather lash is attached to that. The leather lash is 1/4 inch thick by 3/8 and tapered to the end. An eyelet is slit into the end of the leather lash where a cord (String) is threaded and starting with a chain stitch of about 4 inches, a single length of about 6-8 inches extends to a small knot at the end. When this cord is waxed, as Vicki describes, it can deliver quite a sting, where ever it hits, human or bovine.
I found this type to be extremely handy as I can place the motivation exactly where I want it. I agree that the body language is the primary code for direction that animals will respond to, but when working in tight situations where I expect fairly exact response, I found this whip to be a very functional tool. The ability to put a snap on the very place on the tail head, or over the flank, or on a particular front foot is in my mind a necessary component to getting the highest response from cattle.
The pain that this type of whip can deliver is beside the point. I found that there may be times when the delivery of specific high levels of pain is appropriate, but in general it is more about getting exact with the direction. This whip can create quite a load “Snap” when whipped into the air, and that becomes a very effective way to get their attention by reminding them what it can feel like.
I can’t remember what it cost me, but once I saw one being used up there, I never even flinched at the cost because I wanted one. I will be looking into it this week.
Carl
April 16, 2009 at 2:09 pm #51720RodParticipantI agree about the effectiveness. I have used a whip/lash in my stock yard for years and rarely have to touch the cattle with it. They know what it means and are very respectful and responsive to it.
May 2, 2009 at 9:49 pm #51727Git-Up-DocParticipantHeres one of those good ol’ Bridgewater whips. This one is as old as the hills.
[img]http://www.draftanimalpower.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=342&stc=1&d=1241300864[/img]
May 2, 2009 at 10:03 pm #51721RodParticipantThats it! nice whip.
March 11, 2012 at 5:36 pm #51739Andy CarsonModeratorI thought I would unearth this thread discussing whips and goads for oxen. I have been using a driving whip and have become less satisfied with it after a while. In my hands, it have three “speeds”. A “pester” (maybe a 1 on scale of 1-10) a “tap” (maybe a 2), and a “whap” maybe an 8). Often times a tap is not enough, but a whap is too much. I am looking for a tool capable of light, medium and harsh signals with several medium signals so i can refine and adjust my signals a little better. Any thoughts? I can still reach over my boys, perhaps I need a nice and proper goad? Does anyone have a favorite to recommend?
March 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm #51729Tim HarriganParticipantAndy, in some ways I think it depends on how you use it so you may have to just try several and see what works best. I have noticed that some folks seem to target the teams head quite a bit. That is not my style and if someone does do that I would not recommend a goad with much of a lash, great way to put out an eye. Also, I have seen some folks like to hit the ground a lot in front of the team. Also not my style but for that I would suggest a goad that is inexpensive and easily replaceable. I have a short, about 30 inch twisted hickory goad with a lash that I like for working single, with a team I liked a longer whip, 5 ft or so that was just a nylon braided thing that I got from NASCO.
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