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- June 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm #40652RodParticipant
When I am driving my team the horses at stop have a habit of head tossing and rubbing against each other. This has caused them to get their bridles off a a couple of occasions. I leave the halters on under the bridles so I can tie them if need be and wonder if the rubbing and tossing is because of that but hesitate to remove them because of the loose bridle problem. I feel I am doing something wrong and they should not be able to get out of the bridles as they do.
My Halfingers have a lot of mane hair up at the top of the neck and with the halter strap in that same position could it be that I am not getting the bridle down tight enough. I don’t want to choke them with the connecting strap.
Any comments would be appreciated.
June 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm #53001Donn HewesKeymasterHi Rod, I don’t think the halters are causing the rubbing or the bridles coming off. I like to keep a bridle path (clipping the main) behind the ears. Makes it easy to put a bridle on and fit right. The throat latch should allow for three or four fingers under it when on; but not more. A loose throat latch will allow the bridle to come off. I don’t think you will get them to stop rubbing over night but continue to reprimand them, and make them stop. The problem with rubbing is eventually someone will get something caught and you will start up before you realize it. Not desirable.
June 21, 2009 at 1:54 pm #52997RodParticipantHi Donn
Where do you do the 3 finger test, under the throat or on the side? If it’s too tight will it choke the horse?
I was looking at the horse mane again this morning and it is real thick where the top strap goes over it, that may the problem.
Also what about the pole strap, the one behind the ears? I noticed I could take it up a hole. Is that strap meant to pull the bit into the mouth more or tighten the fit around the ears?
Thanks for your help.
June 21, 2009 at 3:23 pm #53002Donn HewesKeymasterHi Rod, I am not sure we have all the technical names right but I know which parts of the bridle you are talking about, I think! Start with the throat latch; yes too tight will effect the breathing. I put my fingers right under the throat, slide them back and forth. Now, you called it a pole strap, I don’t know the true name, but that is were I make a bridle path; and yes adjusting that does effect the fit of the whole bridle including the bit in the mouth. Usually to adjust a new bridle to a new horse, you use those buckles to adjust the height of the blinders, and then use the bit straps to adjust the bit in the mouth.
It sounds to me as though you have a bridle with a strap between the ears that splits and goes to either blinder, If you do that should be loose enough to pull the mane from beneath it.
Finally, the band across the forehead should have all the mane pulled out from under it. Ideally it is long enough to allow the bridle sit on the face with out hitting the base of the ear or eye socket. Some big horses will get a rub from a bridle that is too high at the ear or eye. Rain, rain, rain.
June 22, 2009 at 12:21 am #53004Rod44ParticipantI have had the same problems with my Haflingers in the past. First I lengthend the strap across the forehead so the bridle would sit back further behind the ears. I tightened up the throat latch real tight. Maybe one finger. Also my harness didn’t have a crouper. So I added one of those and tightened up the overcheck, leaving just enough so they could get their head down for a heavy pull. This makes it harder for them to fart around when they are standing. Also, replace the snaps on the lines with buckles. After you get the line strap hooked in the neck yoke ring a couple times and the other horses bridle you learn to use buckles instead. One is a head thrower at times (out on the road if she has to follow other horses) and so I hooked up an “under check” from the britching ring under her belly up through to her halter.
June 22, 2009 at 12:36 am #52998RodParticipantHi Rod44
I thought about the issue of checks and the bridle which came with the harness had sidechecks on it but they didn’t seem to do much of anything so I took them off.. My harness is a “d” ring, no crouper or overcheck and I am not sure I could easily add one. (will have to look tomorrow) but those are good suggestions for the carriage but I am not sure I want them for working. I do not use snaps on any of my lines so that is not an issue for me.
Someone suggested putting the halter over the bridle instead of under it. Any thoughts on this arrangement.June 22, 2009 at 11:52 am #52996Gabe AyersKeymasterThick maned horses are definitely more comfortable with a bridle patch clipped to put their crown behind the ears and fitting their head. In the process of all this fitting and clipping scratch them to see if they have an itchy spot, if so put some mineral oil on it to help with the itch. Of course this will make the bridle even harder to keep on but fitted properly it will still take some effort to get it off.
I wouldn’t consider putting the halter on the outside, just like I wouldn’t wear my underwear outside my pants. This would seem to interfere with sensitive contact with the bit. Fit the halter properly with the noseband two fingers below the bone in their face.
We have experienced that allot of head tossing and rubbing is more about sore necks or uncomfortable collar pressure from tongue weight than the bridles. Although some bridles simply don’t fit right on all horses and the nylon ones will definitely rub hair and eventually hide off the side of their head just behind and above the eye. So once you have the bridles fitting properly and have checked to be sure they are smooth on the surface that touches the horses be sure their necks are sore from any tongue weight. Even if you don’t have excessive tongue weight or have transferred it to the back by a properly adjusted D-Ring harness – some horse develop habits that even when the cause of the habit is removed will continue the habitual behavior. This may be a time to scold them for the behavior. Be sure they are not fighting bugs off their ears or that they don’t have some itchy ears from insects.
We have not been able to find nylon or biothane bridles that are comfortable on the horses. So we use all leather bridles that have a memory of fitting what they are adjusted to and don’t use the nylon ones any more. Leather has a memory and nylon has strength, durability and low maintenance….
Good luck with it, same of deal, keep working them to where any movement that is unnecessary will lessen or stop.
Off to the hay fields in the central Appalachians, finally stopped raining after about a month and a half…. It still seems like a gamble to put the years most important crop on the ground, but it is time.
It always makes it hard to participate in HPD because this is prime hay making weather for us in this part of the country at 3000 feet altitude.
June 22, 2009 at 1:30 pm #53005Rod44ParticipantI too wouldn’t put the halter over the bridle. Some horses just seem to like to rub on each other. Just have to make it tougher for them to do it.
Sometimes I don’t have a halter on under the bridle. I use a neck rope to tie them. Use an extra long lead rope with a snap. I tie in a ring (you can get an adjustable ring setup but don’t use it as they can slip and tighten around the neck) into the rope so it just fits around the neck. Slip the end of the rope through the bit ring and tie to the post. You are not putting any pressure on the bridle if they pull back and it doesn’t make any difference if they would rub off the bridle. Amish use them here to tie their buggy horses.
June 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm #52999RodParticipantI like the neck rope idea and tried it this morning on one of my horses. Question: do you make the ring so it fits the narrow part of the neck as otherwise they can pull it over the head when the bridle is not on. I also shaved the mane behind the ears and put the front mane hairs over the bridel forehead strap and tightened up the bridle. It seemed to work better.
June 22, 2009 at 7:19 pm #53003Donn HewesKeymasterIf Jason is mowing hay I will start tomorrow! Ground is pretty soggy here today. Donn
June 22, 2009 at 8:15 pm #53006Rod44ParticipantYou make it tight enough that they can’t rub it off. I think they would have a tougher time rubbing it off than a bridle. I have come back from having them tied and have the bridle rubbed off and hanging on the rope but they didn’t get the rope off. I use the rope mainly when we are going off farm on a drive where I want them to look a little “fancier”. On the farm I just leave the halter on.
Have a little customization on my halters. I have a buckle on the strap that goes over their nose. That way I can take the halter off with the bridle on. Also have a thin piece of leather sewn into the halter by the strap that goes behind the head. This is incase they get hung up on something in the pasture they can break away. Use another halter when tying them up otherwise.
June 22, 2009 at 8:27 pm #53000RodParticipantSo if I am visualizing it correctly the ring is tied into the rope at a point where the loop would be snug at the top of the neck not further down?
Then to use it the snap hooks onto the ring and the lead is fed through the bit ring on one side and tied off. Is that right.
It’s much easier to use than the halter when just moving them around or bringing them up to tack up.
June 22, 2009 at 11:10 pm #53007Rod44ParticipantThe ring and snap usually hang from the throad, bottom. Yes, you have the idea. I will see if I can find a picture of mine.
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