DAPNET Forums Archive › Forums › Draft Animal Power › Horses › Tragedy!!!Includes discussion of dramatic experiences, and blinders vs. open bridles
- This topic has 81 replies, 26 voices, and was last updated 13 years, 11 months ago by Mac.
- AuthorPosts
- November 29, 2009 at 12:53 am #41128TBigLugParticipant
Well, Dottie was doing great for the last two days hauling people. Standing as quiet as mouse. Lowering her head all day for the little kids to pet her big face. Just the picture of perfect.
Then, tragedy struck.
While hauling our fourth load after lunch, probably 20 people on. A man stepped aside form in front of us to let the wagon by. His dog didn’t notice the horses at first until her front half was past him. Great big 200 lb. Newfie. As soon as the dog realized there was a horse there, BANG attacked her, bit into her right hind foot. The guy tried his damndest to stop the dog from getting to her but he couldn’t. It even knocked him on the ground. He was still trying to hold the dog back but it was just too strong. Dottie freaked (obviously since she just got attacked by a dog) but came back to to get the people to their destination. She was awful jumpy (to say the least) and kept lunging forward and sideways every time she heard a sound from her back right. We unhooked her and tied her back to the trailer to calm down. Hoping (for nothing other than training purposes) to get her calmed down enough to rehook her for one more load to show her it was just a fluke. But she was just too freaked out and I couldn’t risk endangering anyone. So, I brought her home early and am going to take grandpa’s other gelding tomorrow. Than, it’ll be a long process of rebuilding trust and regaining focus with her. I have faith in my girl. She’ll pull through and be back out there next year.
I give the guy kudos for trying to stop his dog but man, he should have left him at home if he wasn’t sure how it would react to horses.
Anybody ever had anything like this happen to them?
November 29, 2009 at 1:06 am #55716jen judkinsParticipantYa know I have been thinking about this most of the day, interestingly. I’m rehabbing a horse from an injury and we keep bumping into the same ‘problems’. I guess I have finally ‘clued in’ and realize that there is a ‘scenario’ playing over and over in his mind that needs to be disrupted. Ignoring it hasn’t helped. So creating a new scenario needs to happen as soon as possible.
My suggestion is to get her back into a safe pulling environment as soon as possible, with as little stress as possible. Sorry to hear of your accident.
November 29, 2009 at 5:19 am #55731near horseParticipantHey Big John,
Really sorry to hear about Dottie’s accident. You know, most of the time we’re trying to convince our teams to be brave and that “there’s nothing to worry about” but an incident like this gives the animal a good “argument” for being nervous or antsy. They (and we) never know which dog is going to do something like this – most don’t – but there’s a reason for horses being a little “concerned” each time there’s something new.
You didn’t say what the people hauling situation was. Christmas tree farm or just wagon rides – both at home? Or was it a wagon ride situation where you were in town? If it was an environment where you could have some say so (like a christmas tree farm, pumpkin patch etc), next time I would make it or ask that it be a “no dogs allowed” place.
I’ve talked to a lot of people that were doing carriage rides etc in town or city who decided it was too risky. People are too unpredictable and they worried about the safety of their teams. I think some of that can be eliminated when you’re on your place or at least get to set the terms.
I hope Dottie recovers, both physically and mentally.
All the best.
November 29, 2009 at 9:31 am #55713simon lenihanParticipantpity dotty did not kick that dog 10 feet in the air, it certantly would not be as cocky next time out. we hunt with dogs and all our dogs are stocked trained but should one attack an animal it would be pushing daizys before long.
simon lenihanNovember 29, 2009 at 9:57 am #55685Carl RussellModeratorHey John, Sorry to hear about the incident. I stopped doing the public interface thing just for that reason. Never had a problem, but I realized I have no control over a situation where there are so many people possibly doing foolish things, and I am the one who would have to deal with the fall out.
My only feed-back is that #1 you did the right thing not hitching her there. #2 the solution lies between Dottie and you, not between Dottie and the dog. There will always be unpredictable moments that are impossible to plan for. Just keep working on the communication so she learns to trust you, and although she can be wary, you won’t lose her to the situation.
Carl
November 29, 2009 at 10:03 am #55686Carl RussellModeratorOh yeah, by the way you did great saving everybody and the horses. That is no small thing.
One of the best horsemen I have know was thrown from his seat on the harrow, run over and knocked out because the neighbors dogs approached suddenly from behind to attack his horses. He lived to tell about it, more than the dog could say, but dog attacks can really tap into prehistoric fears.
Carl
November 29, 2009 at 1:37 pm #55755RobernsonParticipantWell it hasn’t happend to me cause I don’t have a team but… my friends horses were being chased one night by his neighbor’s dogs. The dogs went to the “big petsmart in the sky” which was kinda sad because they were perfectly fine otherwise. But still that behavior just isn’t acceptable.
~~RNovember 29, 2009 at 2:05 pm #55703PlowboyParticipantSome of our precious old timers around here say,”You wouldn’t take a horse to a dog show so don’t bring your dog to a horse show”. Some people just don’t get it. Many dogs are fine around horses and we have even given dogs rides at events but some shouldn’t be out in public until they are ready just like horses. Sounds like your horse was ready but a foolish decision to bring a dog that a guy couldn’t control made alot more work for you. Good Luck with her and I hope she comes around quick.
November 30, 2009 at 2:53 am #55741TBigLugParticipantThanks for the encouragement everyone. I didn’t get a chance to work with her today since I had to go back to the tree farm for day three (went without incident thankfully).
Tomorrow I’m going to start back at square one. Working her solo on the stoneboat around the house. Tuesday I’ll hook her back up with Queen for a stone boat ride around the pasture. Wednesday we’ll be back out on the forecart. All of this is depending on how she does the day before. We’re gonna take it slow and rebuild the focus and trust. She’s an awesome girl and I’m sure I can help her out of her funk.
I forgot to add some info to my original post.
The dog never broke skin so thankfully there was no physical injury to deal with. Although I think the physical injuries are easier to treat.
Luckily (or otherwise) I don’t know that she associated the dog witht he pain. She didn’t freak out when we passed a couple more dogs onb the way back around it was noise in general from the right rear. I’ve recruited some friends to station around my field to walk past her while she’s hooked to show her there’s nothing to fear. Additionally the owner of the farm volunteered his time and his employees time to restaff the farm on a day it’s closed so I can take her around the same loop and recreate the scenario to help her past her fear.
Lotsa work ahead but my girl’s worth it.
November 30, 2009 at 11:07 am #55756RobernsonParticipantGood Luck! Hope she does well!
~~R
November 30, 2009 at 8:27 pm #55734Joshua KingsleyParticipantJohn,
At least your farm person is willing to help with the rehab. It is a great undertaking and it sounds like you should be ok with your plan. Take it slow and I have faith that the two of you will get past this. It is going to take some time and the trust will be hard to regain but it should be somthing that will be worth it in the long run.
JoshuaDecember 2, 2009 at 10:19 pm #55742TBigLugParticipantGot Dottie out today. I only had an hour or so before I had to go back to work but I thought I’d see what was gonna happen. And guess what did…..
Nothing. She worked like a million bucks. Gosh darned good old minded mare. She worked for an hour or so like she’d been doing great her whole life. I even had some friends walk up from behind her along that side, nothing. Had a friend walk my dog up from behind her on that side, nothing. Even had one frien run past her like a jogger,NOTHING. I even had one friend talk loudly while running past her from behind. NOTHING!!!! God I love my horse.
I’m not ready to take her back down there yet (she’s probably more ready than I am). I still want another solid week of hooking her up and making sure she’s coping.
I tell everyone I see that aparently I was a helluva person in another life to deserve such a good minded horse!
December 3, 2009 at 7:15 pm #55733Joshua KingsleyParticipantThat’s great news. I love it when they are so willing to go right back to work. Best of luck and enjoy the great mare that can over come anything.
JoshuaDecember 8, 2009 at 12:42 pm #55757DraftDriverParticipantTBigLug…how is your mare Dottie doing? I apologize for being late coming into the conversation but read what happened and was concerned. Have you worked with her with the stone boat? How did she do? We don’t do parades or other big events where dogs are prevalent, as I too am concerned about them getting away from their owners and going after the dogs.
I have a neighbor who has a miniature heeler mix dog that when I go riding on his trails, she comes out and has gone so far as to go after my QH heels. He flips his ears back and I watch him closely as he does not tolerate dogs under him and because of her size, I worry he is going to kick her hard enough to hurt her or buck and kick, and I hit the ground. I am not young anymore and when I hit, I don’t bounce!
We have talked to him about it, he laughs and said if she gets kicked, she will learn. But again, I don’t want to be the one to have to tell him the kick killed his dog, not “taught her a lesson”.
December 8, 2009 at 4:51 pm #55751AnonymousInactiveI think congraglutions is in order for not taking serious issue with the dog owner. I am extremly protective of my pasengers. which probly comes from my days running a Dude stable. City poeple are so stupid they just dont get it that guy endangered the lives of all those people on that wagon not to mention the bystanders. When I was outfitting in Colorado I had no end of trouble with unleashed dogs on the trail. Thats why I always travle with my Border colie Prince. He is well trained wouldent hurt a fly or anoter dog but he meets every one and evey thing in my way first. I feel a well trained trail dog is a real asset these days with all the city folks around. I’m so sorry to read about your experince a job like that taking people for rides at a tree farm is awsome I love to see the excitment in the kids faces when they see the horses and get to go for a ride, but a thing like that can ruin everything. Thats why my dude ranch and outfitting experinces are past tence I just didn’t have the blood pressure to risk geting people hurt when I could not control the environment. Thank God no one was hurt and your mare is ok thanks for sharing the experince it helps us all.
Russ
- AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.