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  • #42039
    jac
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    Can someone explain to me please what mechanics are at play to create a plow pan ? I have assumed that this was a problem for tractor farms only… turns out horse farms have a pan.. and tractor farms have compaction as an additional problem. Does min till create a pan ? or is it only a plow that does this ?
    John

    #62635
    mitchmaine
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    hey john, my understanding is that the top 5 or 6″ of soil, or whatever you’ve ever plowed is disturbed soil and can be compacted by further use with a tractor or implement until you plow or harrow(or disturb it) again. your plow is a shovel and there is a flat pan where you stopped plowing that is soil from the dawn of time that no one has ever touched. it is harder than the gates of hell and can’t be compacted. it already has been by time. a chisel plow will reach down and scratch at that pan and give serious rainfall a place to go besides drowning out your crop. a spring harrow set real hard can bust it up a little. i guess once you have disturbed that layer, it is forever broken and can be compacted but not back to its original state. thats my belief on it.

    mitch

    #62630
    goodcompanion
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    I’m hoping for a post by Tim Harrigan on this subject. I have always found his explanations of tillage mechanics to be first-rate.

    #62633
    Tim Harrigan
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    @jac 21364 wrote:

    Can someone explain to me please what mechanics are at play to create a plow pan ? I have assumed that this was a problem for tractor farms only… turns out horse farms have a pan.. and tractor farms have compaction as an additional problem. Does min till create a pan ? or is it only a plow that does this ?
    John

    A plow pan is a specific form of soil compaction caused by the action of a moldboard plow, typically over the course of time and usually after plowing at the same depth every year. Soil compaction is a loss of pore space in the soil. Pore space provides pathways for water infiltration and storage, oxygen movement and space for root penetration. Compaction is most often a problem caused by external forces, mostly from vehicles and animal traffic. Vehicles and animals compact the soil, mostly shallow and in the normal tillage zone, but it can go deeper with heavier vehicles, particularly if the soil is too wet for traffic or the soils have a distribution of coarse and fine soil particle sizes that cause the soil to set up tight. Grazing animals can cause severe shallow compaction and that becomes clear real quick to anyone pulling soil cores from pasture ground for a soil test.

    Tillage is an external force that loosens the soil, but also, by the application of force, causes localized compaction. As a moldboard plow moves through the soil it pushes the soil apart. The soil at the cutting edge mostly is lifted, but some is pushed down and compressed under the point and share as the plow moves over it. This localized compaction can be aggravated by spring plowing because the soil is likely wetter at plow depth than near the surface. Plowing at the same depth each year contributes to a plow pan as will using worn points and shares with a blunt edge. A blunt edge pushes more soil before either lifting it or compressing it below the edge. These plow pans are often just an inch or two thick but can be quite dense and restrict water infiltration, drainage and root growth.

    If by min-till you mean chisel plowing rather than moldboard plowing, generally, yes, it would be less likely to cause a plow pan because you are not compressing the soil uniformly across the bottom of the tillage layer, and you are moving less soil. But if you replace the moldboard with a disk, maybe not. The disk carries all its weight on the edge of the cutting disks and while it is good at loosening the soil above it tends to compact the soil below. So a disk could create a disk pan that would be much like a plow pan. As long as the soil is right for tillage one or two disking, just like plowing, is probably not going to be be a problem. But over time it can become a grey area in various shades of grey depending upon the level of compaction. So the solution is not in the name, it is in what you do.

    #62637
    jac
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    Thank you Mitch and Tim.. Now this has me thinking.. If a horse farmer has a pan that is say 3″ thick at 9″ deep.. could a small ducks foot type of sub soiler be bolted on immediatly behind the plow body and go down 3″. This way a shallow rip would be made with each pass of the plow and do away with having to chisel plow down to 9″ ??? … Tim the min tillage machines we have over here use a combination of discs then heavy spring tines with more discs following up with a packer roller at the rear.. all pulled with 300hp tractors..
    John

    #62631
    Marshall
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    Awhile back I read the book “Ten acres enough”. It is from the 1800’s about a fella that started a farm growing fruit. He told about making one pass with the walking plow followed by one pass with a subsoiler. He alternated all the way across the field.

    #62638
    jac
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    Thats the kind of thing im talking bout Marshall.. the plow takes off the 1st 8″ or 9″ and that leaves an easy 2″ or 3″ for the subsoiler.. or would a rotor with 4 blades like the ones I have on my slitter work.. less pull and 6″ deep slots over the whole field ??
    John

    #62632
    Marshall
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    John, it seems like it would work. The main thing is to open up the pan to let water and roots down in the ground. If a person had enough horse and not too much plow why couldn’t you make a device for the back of the plow.
    It could be like a rolling basket on a field cultivator. Just make it to go directly behind the plow bottom. I don’t know if there would be enough room with more than one bottom, but it seems it would work with a sulky plow. Just a thought.

    #62636
    mitchmaine
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    Hey john, it’s hard to imagine that my farm and yours were at the bottom of the ocean under a mile and a half of icesheet 12,000 years ago. Our thin ribbon of topsoil was sea bottom mixed with sand and “rock flour” ground from the top of the bedrock. The land sprung up, once the ice retreated and started growing small bushes and later, trees. I still forget that our life depends on that foot of dirt. We all measure our farms in hectares or acres. Hardly anyone, including me, measures their farm 8” deep. But that’s why they call us farmers and not miners.
    My neighbor keeps 60 acres of cow corn, and a few wet springs ago, had trouble getting on his land to start. He hired out a jobber who came with a 225 HP tractor and a 7 point subsoiler. It was on three point hitch and had no downpreasure so made a couple trips around before breaking through your plow pan. But when he did he buried it a couple feet and it was like he pulled the plug in the sink. Standing water just vanished and his wheel ruts dried up and it took him quite a while to do his job, but you could literally drive around behind him in a pickup on land you could barely walk on before. Quite the miracle.
    a thought. one subsoiler (i have one for my tractor) or one point, should i say, even at a shallow depth, a foot or so, is a lot of draft. never tried it with a team but wonder how well they would do with it. like i said, our soil is marine clay, anyone who ever tried digging a ditch in it with a handshovel, knows what i mean. once you get below the topsoil its like scratching at granite. others soil might be different.
    good luck with your project, mitch

    one other thing about mixing technologies, john. in harrowing a peice of subsoiled ground, the horses would step around the furrows or slices made by the subsoiler. the subsoiler doesn’t flip or turn soil or bring it up. but as soon as the ground was harrowed, none of us, horses or i, could tell where it had been sliced, and the horses would step into the ruts and stumble. alot. and it worried me alot. still does. by the time we cultivated, the soil was beginning to pack and no problem. just a heads up.

    #62634
    Tim Harrigan
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    John, that would be interesting to try. It seems like it would take a fair amount of down pressure to break up a hard pan. So a trailing slitter would have to be quite heavy, and you fix it to your plow it might throw off the balance of the plow. Good luck with that.

    #62639
    jac
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    The way I had thot of it was if you had a pan, then hit it hard with tractor and subsoiler 1st, then in subsequent plowings a lighter leg could break up the couple of inches of smeared soil behind the share. I thot this might help prevent a pan being formed as the years pass..
    John

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