My first family cow…

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  • #42080
    jen judkins
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    Over the weekend I picked up a young (6 months or so) highlander heifer. I must say, I was surprised at how wild she is, and am wondering if I bit off more than I can chew. We got her successfully into the barn and a 12 x 12 foot stall. But she tries to ram me everytime I attempt to get into the stall to bring her food or water. I suppose she will settle over a few days.

    My plan for her depends entirely on how easy she is to work with. Her final destination will be the freezer, but when that happens ….well, it just depends.

    Any advice on how to tame the wild animal in her? Do cows respond positively to approach and retreat, like horses do? Desensitization? Or do I have to simply get in there and show her who’s boss? I’m a horse person. This is my first cow experience. Thanks.

    #62972
    dlskidmore
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    Every species is prone to bribery. Bring food, back off to an uncomfortable but non-threatening distance, allow her to eat, take food away when you leave. Repeat more often than the normal meal schedule until she eats all her food in a meal. If you can’t spend that much time with her, let her free feed a low-value food and use a high-value food for training. Then slowly decrease the comfort distance until she eats food right next to you, and looks happy to see you when you enter her enclosure with food.

    Hopefully a cow person will give you more specific advice.

    I’m not opposed to showing an animal who’s boss, but I usually like to start from a position of the animal being comfortable and happy with my presence, so backing off the force has a reward effect rather than making them think of an escape opportunity. I don’t want to start any battles I can’t finish and end with a period of affection and reward. Before that point I only restrain for their own safety, I don’t try to make them do anything.

    #62927
    Jean
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    I of course have not advise, but I am looking forward to the stories.

    #62971
    clayfoot-sandyman
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    I was in this situation a while back when I bought a supposedly well handled cow from a neighbour which turned out to be very unco-operative to the point of being dangerous when I tried close handling and milking her.
    Admittedly feeding and regular contact will gentle a cow over time but not enough to get her as steady as I wanted (safe enough for special needs teenagers to work with).
    My experience now tells me that the only way to really have a bovine who is totally steady is for that animal to see you as being 100% in charge. A friend who shows cattle and halter trains them at a year or so when she can really see their confirmation said that she battles them into a halter then ties them onto her tractor with another person holding a second rope off the halter. She drives the tractor at a very low speed until the beast walks without fighting with the second person also walking alongside, giving the impression that its the handler overpowering the cow. Once she walks steadily (maybe after a few attempts) they take away the tractor, and as the cow has the impression that you’re as strong as a tractor they follow!!
    I personally don’t want to get involved in all that malarchy and by far the best experience I’ve had is to buy calves as young as possible from a dairy farm, the earlier the better. They immediately connect to you as you will be the one providing milk and are vastly easier to handle as they get older with very little battling to establish yourself as leader.
    If you’re fixed on having Highland cattle then this will be difficult as they’re run as suckler herds and nobody with sucklers will wean before 4-5 months in my experience. Halter training a 6 month animal requires a lot of will and determination, they’re strong! Remember they need to see you as the dominant force.
    If it were me I’d feed you’re new friend, get her settled with a view to having some good Highland beef in 12-18 months and look around locally for a small dairy who has some calves. For home use even a beef cross will do, a friend milks a Hereford/Holstein who although she doesn’t produce quite the vast quantities a pure bred Holstein might she produces ample milk and is much healthier than some highly bred super dairy cow and has a lovely temperament. Hope that’s of some use…Ed

    #62973
    dlskidmore
    Participant

    @clayfoot-sandyman 21732 wrote:

    My experience now tells me that the only way to really have a bovine who is totally steady is for that animal to see you as being 100% in charge.

    I’m not opposed, I just see that as step 2.

    The beauty of cattle is that they are still tasty if they don’t work out for their primary purpose. Can’t hurt to give your favorite gentling method a try while she’s growing big enough for the freezer though.

    #62929
    jen judkins
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    Ed, I actually read through some of your older posts on the topic….unfortunately after I had committed to the calf. Seriously, I’m pretty stubborn (I can feel the eyes rolling in the room) and expect to get the job done….whether I decide to never attempt it again or not:rolleyes:!

    I like DL’s suggestions of being present at an uncomfortable yet tolerable distance for feed or water and working from there. I don’t think of that as a bribe, more like incentive ‘to try’ being alittle closer or alittle calmer.

    I already do this to an extent. When I enter the stall, I wait until she has stopped thrashing and threatening and is standing quietly before I leave. This is just natural to me because of my experience with horses. They learn from the point of release. If you leave while they are threatening, you teach them to threaten. From what I have heard so far, cows learn similarly.

    If I ever get a halter on this girl, I might try the tractor trick. Sounds safer for me and certainly more reliable in regard to moving her from place to place if I get that far. But we are a long way off from any leading skills:(.

    #62922
    Rod
    Participant

    If she still has her horns taking them off can be a big help. I have noticed big changes in aggression with cows that lost their weapons. And it’s much safer for you to be around her if they are gone.

    #62921
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    Having never worked with highlanders, I can only say that I have heard they can be inherently wild….

    Just spending time in the stall will work. Food/feeding will work. It s not bribery as much as distraction. I use a dish of grain to distract an animal while I approach them to just lay hands on…. then more. etc.I know you are patient enough.

    Cattle have the same type of response to space pressure…. I mean they have the same sensitivity to it, but since their defense is on their heads, they don’t always run. If you don’t run, then they will have to decide how they deal with that. You will use the same set of rules, just with a different set of responses…. which with observation you will learn.

    As far as being in charge, it is all in the carriage. However, you will need to be prepared to defend yourself much more than with a horse. This may be your biggest challenge, as you are conditioned to pushing off a horse with much less effort.

    Have fun, and be safe……. Hot lead injection can always solve the worst situation…..

    Carl

    #62930
    jen judkins
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    Rod, Have an appointment on the books for dehorning. It will be a matter of whether I have been able to get a hand and halter on this heifer to get that deed done…..but I wholeheartedly agree….given her propensity to lead with her horns.

    Carl, Thank you. I was looking for someone to compare horses and cows somewhat…..and specifically what is different between them. That helps alot.

    Tonight…sensing some of the extreme fear and agitation had worn off, I decided to play around with some spacial boundaries. I felt a 12 x 12 stall was too small a space to be safe with Dolly. So I closed off the barn aisle on both ends and simply open the door to her stall allowing her access to the barn aisle should she choose it. Then I went about my normal barn activities….mucking stalls, feeding horses, watering, sweeping, etc. I noticed her getting curious about the open door and thought….this is good. She was careful about maintaining space between us when I came near though. Finally I decided I needed to clean her stall (not really necessary, but as an exercise, proved useful). I entered as non-chalantly as I could…pitch fork in hand, moving circularly so as to be non confrontational. She left the stall as soon as I cleared the doorway, as I expected and found herself in uncomfortable but safe (from me) territory in the aisleway. I cleaned her stall, refreshed her water and diddled about for awhile while she watched from the uncomfortable end of the barn. As soon as I left her stall and approached her, she siddled around me to get back to her safe place in the stall (interesting how fast that happened).

    I’m not sure yet, what I accomplished, but it felt like progress. There was at least, no charging or climbing of the walls:). It will be interesting to see if she can adjust to me being in the stall with her without her having to leave…which I think is my goal…at least in the short term.

    Any input welcome and appreciated!

    #62955
    Gulo
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    I’ve tamed yaks indeed by (once they are accustomed to my presence) getting them in the round pen and coaxing them with a bucket of grain. Once they’re eating out of the bucket, you can get the odd head scratch in. Once they get used to that, I lassoed them around the horns and tied them short to one of the posts. (I dropped the loop over the horns when they were used to eating out of and engaged in the bucket – if they were too cagey for this, I did it cowboy style. But some got quickly to the point where you could simply drop the loop over their horns and tighten it without them really caring.) Pet them with a stick all over, eventually moving in over the days and substituting your hand. Then you can work at getting them to lead by coaxing them after you on the halter and rope using the grain bucket and pressure/release. The grain of course gives them the added incentive to follow, getting used to the pressure/release in the meantime.

    One or two, however, were untamable. And one was aggressive, charging me in the pen. Got rid of her.

    Charging calves were in my experience a different story. Once they were accustomed to me in a setting where they didn’t feel cornered, and no longer particularly fearful, if they still insisted on charging, I then considered it perhaps a hierarchy thing. I responded to this by throwing them down and pinning them. One or two experiences like this and they understood where they ranked with me and quit the charging behavior. But i don’t think this would be productive with a calf that still had a lot of fear.

    I agree with Clayfoot that you have to be boss. This is why tying them to the post seems to work. Let them know they are impotent to resist your advances, and that you’re gentle at the same time. I know of a guy who broke a large bison (to ride!) this way. Story goes it fought the rope for two weeks straight then resigned and he could do anything with it – including riding it to get his mail.

    I have a lot more experience with horses than cattle, but i would say i find older cattle less tractable and more stubborn than horses.

    #62931
    jen judkins
    Participant

    I don’t know, Gulo….Pinning this heifer seems like a huge feat! I hope it doesn’t come to that! Though if is comes down to me or her….you can bet I will win, lol:p

    #62956
    Gulo
    Participant

    @jenjudkins 21745 wrote:

    I don’t know, Gulo….Pinning this heifer seems like a huge feat! I hope it doesn’t come to that! Though if is comes down to me or her….you can bet I will win, lol:p

    If she’s big enough to have horns, you might be wise to skip this step.

    I think this was the stage where our ancestors invented the rope. 😉

    #62943
    dominiquer60
    Moderator

    Tying a bovine up does seem to have its merit in settling them. In the spring we catch our young cattle in a creep feeder and then bring them into the barn for health care including making steers out of the bull calves. The first couple of days are tough being weaned and in a strange place but after a while they accept that they cannot get away and that we are OK because we bring them food and water. Before you know it you can scratch their heads and take the shedding blade to them. Then they are sold by the pound to our usual customers that like our calm feeders and will pay $1/lb no matter what the auction up the road is getting.

    Last year one guy wanted one before it settled down being tied up in our barn. He thought that we didn’t do a good enough job making him a steer, the steer stomped an charged at the stall door or at the fence when the family was in the yard. This being his first bovine, he didn’t know what to do, so he finally just made burger out of him many months sooner than he wanted to. He also found out that we really did steer him just fine, contrary to what he wanted to think. I am sure that you have what it takes to get this highland heifer to at least be comfortable around you, growing larger while the freezer awaits.

    I also have beef friends that use the tractor method to train beef to lead, they also leave a halter on to catch them at first and tie the show string up in the barn everyday for a while. This is for feeding and to just get them used to being tied up.

    Good Luck with her, and remember in self defense a good tap on the nose may help if you find her charging you at close distance, it saved me once with an angus cow, always good to carry a big stick and to speak softly.

    Erika

    #62951
    OldKat
    Participant

    @jenjudkins 21722 wrote:

    Over the weekend I picked up a young (6 months or so) highlander heifer. I must say, I was surprised at how wild she is, and am wondering if I bit off more than I can chew. We got her successfully into the barn and a 12 x 12 foot stall. But she tries to ram me everytime I attempt to get into the stall to bring her food or water. I suppose she will settle over a few days.

    My plan for her depends entirely on how easy she is to work with. Her final destination will be the freezer, but when that happens ….well, it just depends.

    Any advice on how to tame the wild animal in her? Do cows respond positively to approach and retreat, like horses do? Desensitization? Or do I have to simply get in there and show her who’s boss? I’m a horse person. This is my first cow experience. Thanks.

    Jen,

    Not sure how much time you intend to spend taming your heifer that is headed for the deep freeze, but whatever works for you …

    If you only mean to be able to work around her; clean her pen, feed and water her etc then the process that Erika described will work fine. If for some reason you decide to halter break her, the part where she said to tie the calf up is the way to start that process as well.

    Never worked with any Highland cattle, in fact have only seen them one time. However they can’t be any wilder than the Brahman cross cattle that are common around here & I have “tamed” several of them, or at least calmed them down enough to get them on feed. Just take it slow and easy and she should do fine …

    Good luck with her.

    OldKat

    #62932
    jen judkins
    Participant

    @OldKat 21752 wrote:

    If you only mean to be able to work around her; clean her pen, feed and water her etc then the process that Erika described will work fine. If for some reason you decide to halter break her, the part where she said to tie the calf up is the way to start that process as well.

    Well, I’m not set up to ‘run’ cattle through shoots and such, so I kind of have to halter break her.

    So what’s the best way to get a halter on a calf of this age? Just wrestle with her? Erika, you want to stop over on your way to LIF and show me how its done?:D

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