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- February 7, 2011 at 6:59 am #42416RusselParticipant
Hi
Whats the difference between a mccormick #6 and the big 6? Also how does the #6 work compared to the #7 and #9? and the advantages and disadvantages?
February 7, 2011 at 10:55 am #65496Donn HewesKeymasterHi Harvey, My guess is you won’t find too many people with experience in all three models. Maybe you will. The big thing about the #7 and the # 9 was that the made them into the 1940’s and in the 20’s and 30’s they made millions. They are all over, (around here!) and there are parts available. I have never taken a hard look at any other mower. I am sure there are many other models that can and are being used to good effect.
February 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm #65501JayParticipantWe have a #6, #7 and #9 that we use here on the farm. My understanding is that the #6 was made from about 1914 to 1932. The #7s started in ’32 to the early 40s and the #9 began in the early 40s through the early 50s. The big#6 has wheels that widen the wheelbase a bit(perhaps close to what the #9 has). Both the #6 and #7 track 54″ and the #9 tracks about 59-60″. The #6 has all bushings and oil cups and the gears are all open – i.e. don’t run in an oil bath. The #7 & #9 have bearings and replaceable bushings and their gears run in an oil bath in an eclosed gearbox. I haven’t yet found a bearing or bushing on the 7&9 that isn’t still available, where as the 6 pitman bushing is not available as I understand it.
I have rebuilt several 7s and 9s and they are a wonder of simple elegance in design. I havemowed all my hay with a #7 for 25 years and in my experience they are every bit as dependable as a #9. Either makes a fine mower.
The #6 if you can find one with tight bushings is a fine mower too- it’s just harder to find one that isn’t worn. Even if the pitman bushing is a bit worn, it makes a fine pasture clipping machine as the bar and cutting parts are all replaceable. I’m putting a #6 pasture mower together for this spring and also a couple of #9s. Hope this helps. JayFebruary 8, 2011 at 12:31 pm #65506RusselParticipantThanks for the help. Isnt there a danger of the external gear chewing up your left foot?
February 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm #65507RusselParticipantAlso whats the difference between the three different types of sickle blades? I.e. Top serated, bottom serated and smooth
February 8, 2011 at 2:00 pm #65497Donn HewesKeymasterEach knife section is popular in certain areas and crops. The smooth knife was traditional for old style guards with ledger plates that have serrations of their own. Under serrated knives are still sharpenable. The top serrated knife is not sharpenable. Many folks today are using double guard typically made for a haybine or other more modern mower. The serrated knifes make sense with these smooth sided guards that have no ledger plate. I know that in different Amish communities there are different preferences, sometimes it is the difference between mowing a lot of alfalfa versus a lot of grass hay. I think the stemmier crop the more it lends it self to an aggressive serration. I have heard from many people that the smooth knife and grass hay is the best ever.
February 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm #65508MacParticipant@Russel 24620 wrote:
Thanks for the help. Isnt there a danger of the external gear chewing up your left foot?
Yes… but thats why you don’t stick your foot over there if you can help it.:D I happen to have a 6, which has the old-style smooth sections. These work well in grass, but I find that when cutting cane, I can only use about 3 feet of a 6 foot bar. I also find that cane will bust a pitman rod right quick if you don’t watch it.
MacFebruary 8, 2011 at 7:47 pm #65492J-LParticipantI traded off my #6 mower because of the exposed gears and the worn pitman bearing. Looked like a good mower other than that. #9’s and #7’s are easier to find everything for. Also around this area lots of JD #4’s which are also a good machine.
I did experiment just a little with smooth vs. over serrated sections and in grass hay the smooth sections are best…if you keep them good and sharp. The over serrated will cut but you see lot’s more side draft than a good, sharp smooth section.
An old timer here has a good, solid #6 that he claims is the best of all the mowers. I never ran it so I can’t say for sure. He also said the #7 was a very good mower.February 8, 2011 at 7:48 pm #65493J-LParticipantForgot to say that my old friend told me that he did get his lines caught in the gears on his #6 if he weren’t careful with them.
February 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm #65503jacParticipantDonn I may have to parcel up a knife guard and mail you it to see if an equivelant can be found on your side. I have an Albion mower and spares are like hens teeth to find now.. most mowers over here ended up being shaken to pieces at 8 mph cutting thistles behind a tractor…
JohnFebruary 9, 2011 at 12:33 am #65498Donn HewesKeymasterHi john, You would be more than welcome to send me a guard. I guess the other possibility would be a couple good close ups with a measurement or two. On second thought having it in hand might be most reliable.
February 9, 2011 at 3:09 am #65499near horseParticipantI have a 6 and a 9 – started with the 6 and did some repair/renovations, in fact that external gear “blew apart” after some pea gravel got jammed between the knife and a guard. Don’t know why the pitman stick didn’t bust first – that’s why it’s wood (like the precursor to the shear pin). Many of the parts cross over. I didn’t find out until recently that the gear box was oilless as well – it seems weird to have the pitman and ring gears enclosed but have 1/2″ hole in the bottom of the case. I thought the “plug” must have broke off – nope!
February 9, 2011 at 8:09 am #65504jacParticipantGeoff that Albion mower I mentioned has the same set up ! a hole in the bottom of the casing… I always wonder what the best oil to use. Hate the smell of rear axle oil so have been squirting some chainsaw oil at it:D. the pitman arm is made of steel on mine so when it jams up it stops the wheels..
JohnFebruary 9, 2011 at 3:21 pm #65494MarshallParticipantJohn, you might want to try some sort of synthetic gear lube. I put used synthetic oil on my all steel manure spreader. That stuff sticks on like glue. I don’t know why but it will stay on for months even after rain.
February 9, 2011 at 6:06 pm #65505jacParticipantMarshall does the synthetic stuff not smell of the sulpher.. I will have to hunt some down. thanks for the idea..
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