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  • #42630
    Baystatetom
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    I am about to start plowing with my oxen and a walking plow. I have absolutely no idea what I am doing but I never let that stop me before. I have two plows I think both are 16″ but I may be wrong. One is in perfect working order, the other I pulled out of the woods and it is in rough shape all the moving parts are rusted tight but I think with a little elbow grease I can make it work again. A local old timer told me he had two plows one had a longer beam and was a lot easier to work with then the other with a shorter beam. I checked and sure enough the rusty old junker I have is 8″ longer then the good one. My question is, Is it worth the effort to fix up the rusty junker or was the longer plow easier to work with because of other factors having to do with the particular team he was working.
    Either way I am going to start with the good plow this weekend, but I still want know for next year.

    #66833
    Tim Harrigan
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    If both plows were designed for animal power the length of the beam should not make much difference. The more important thing would be to maintain a straight line of draft from the point of pull at the yoke to the center of resistance of the plow. If it is a single bottom plow that will probably be on the moldboard about 1/2 the plow depth up from the bottom of the plow and about 1/4 of the distance in from the landside. You should have a vertical adjustment at the hitch point of the plow that allows you to adjust this line of draft.

    A 16 inch cut is pretty big for a single bottom plow, 12-inch and 14-inch were more common. If you have not plowed with this team before you might want to take some time to make sure they are well conditioned to do that level of work. Take a look at this thread:
    http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?t=2969
    Other things like sharp cutting edges of the plow share and other parts will have a big impact on how well the plow works and how difficult it is to pull.

    If the team is not prepared to pull that load you can expect problems when you get to the field.

    #66840
    Baystatetom
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    I thought that the line of draft was probably the answer to my question. I think the line of draft is different in the two plows because the distance and angle is different from the point of the plow through the hitch point.
    I have been working in the woods with them all winter and gathering sap, making them pull 120 gallons on a soft bare ground with a small sled. I think they will be able to handle the plow for a couple of hours a weekend. Its just a hobby anyway and I won’t get upset if I have to finish with the tractor.
    Thanks for your opinion. How do I measure to see if it is 16″ or 14″?
    Tom

    #66834
    Tim Harrigan
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    The landside is the part of the plow that runs along the side of the furrow as the moldboard turns the soil over. The share is the angled cutting surface that cuts the soil at the bottom of the moldboard. The share probably wings out past the moldboard a few inches. Measure at a right angle from landside to the point of the wing of the share. That is the width that the plow cuts as it moves forward. Usually, moldboard plows are designed to run at a depth one-half of the width of cut, so a 12 inch plow would run at 6 inches. You can run shallower though and it will be easier on your team, it just won’t look as nice. But, who cares as long at you get the weed control and seedbed you want?

    If you are doing some restoration on these plows remember that worn shares and cutting parts will make the plow pull harder and generally perform poorly. About 50% of the power needed to pull the plow is used in cutting the furrow slice loose. The other 50% is used to lift and turn the furrow. So keep the cutting edges near their original shape. Worn shares not only pull harder, they are much more likely to contribute to the formation of a plow pan, a layer of compacted soil that can restrict water infiltration and root growth right below the depth of plowing. You might want to buff the rust off the landside, share and moldboard before plowing as well.

    #66841
    Baystatetom
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    Tim thanks for the great info. I am a Consulting Forester, if you ever have tree or logging questions I am your guy:)
    My first time plowing with my 12″ walking plow went about like I had expected. My 14 month old Holstein/shorthorns worked hard pulling the plow. My off steer pulls a lot harder then the near steer so it was difficult to keep them straight. I had a few crooked rows and several feet between a few, and even a couple that snaked back and forth across others. All in all it took about 2 hours to plow a swath I could have done with the tractor in 20 minutes but speed wasn’t point.
    I worked my team on a real job not just pulling a stoneboat for exercise, the team and I both gained experience, and most importantly I had fun.
    Of course it is going to take awhile with the harrows to straighten out the mess I made.

    #66832

    this weekend we will start our plowing efforts again, I have an idea our accomplishments will hardly look any better 😀
    so for now we just plan to turn some soil ……and have fun

    #66835
    Tim Harrigan
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    @Baystatetom 26498 wrote:

    My 14 month old Holstein/shorthorns worked hard pulling the plow. My off steer pulls a lot harder then the near steer so it was difficult to keep them straight. I had a few crooked rows and several feet between a few, and even a couple that snaked back and forth across others…. I worked my team on a real job not just pulling a stoneboat for exercise, the team and I both gained experience, and most importantly I had fun…

    Yes, the first time plowing reveals a lot of skills that need to be developed, experienced teams make it look easy. The off ox needs to stay in the furrow, they need to pull together and you need to keep the plow running straight and level. Did you sense that they were wandering because they did not understand how to follow the furrow, were they struggling a little with the load, or a bit of both? Plowing is pretty stout work for 14 month old steers. Were you driving from behind, or did you have someone drive the team while you guided the plow?

    #66842
    Baystatetom
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    I think most of the trouble was that this was the first time they had seen any green grass since November and I just had a hard time making them pay attention. Pulling the plow was also pretty close to their maximum payload so the stronger off steer kept coming around to the haw side and my near steer wasn’t able to pull ahead to push him back to the gee side unless I stopped them and straightened them out. I had plowed a few times when I was a kid and had 4H steers but this was my first try in about 20 years. Pretty much did the same quality of work. I brought my plow and steers over to a friends farm and had him hold the plow while I drove. I think I may plow and harrow with the tractor then re-plow the softer ground with the steers for practice. I am sure as the team gets bigger and we practice more we will all get better. I intended them to be loggers, the plowing was just for amusement.

    #66843
    Baystatetom
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    I have few pictures but I don’t think I need to show them to anybody here:D

    #66844
    Baystatetom
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    Second try went substantially better. Tried some lighter soil and moved the wheel down a notch. Still plenty of room for improvement but at least I could see we were gaining ground. I was surprised at the amount of ground we covered in just 2 hours. For a young team I am very pleased with how hard they pull.

    #66838
    PhilG
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    I finally found a plow, it has a lot of holes in the beam and I was wondering if they were for bolting on a wheel of some kind ? or if I need a wheel? it is a 16″ ih p&o, which seams a little big for my single horse, but I have been reading about the “skim” plowing which would be plenty deep for what I need- any advice on what would be different for hitching up for this? any advice on this would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

    #66836
    mitchmaine
    Participant

    @PhilG 26999 wrote:

    I finally found a plow, it has a lot of holes in the beam and I was wondering if they were for bolting on a wheel of some kind ? or if I need a wheel? it is a 16″ ih p&o, which seams a little big for my single horse, but I have been reading about the “skim” plowing which would be plenty deep for what I need- any advice on what would be different for hitching up for this? any advice on this would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

    phil,
    your plow looks like a trip plow or a roll over. it might have a dog behind the share. you trip it with your toe and the ploe flips over to the other side making it a two way walking plow. if thats true, then you may be measuring it wrong, and it could be a smaller plow easier on your single horse. the advantage of the plow was you could plow two ways. the disadvantage was the moldboard doesn’t turn soil as well as a conventional plow. more good news is there is a pile of points twenty feet deep that fit your plow out in ohio, if your plow is what i think it is.
    mitch

    #66839
    PhilG
    Participant

    Mitch,
    it has had some modifications in the back, not sure what’s going on there ?
    do you think it needs a wheel out front ? would that help control the depth ?
    phil

    #66830
    Rick Alger
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    That looks like what we call a sidehill plow around here. Lets you plow all the furrows downhill on a contour even if you have to pass back and forth on the hillside. Like Mitch said, there should be a latch you can release with your toe that frees the plow to swing under the handles and set up a “mirror image” on the other side. The latch is missing obviously, replaced by that wire. In the picture it doesn’t look like the point will find its level the way the share is held by the wire.

    I’m far from an expert, but for what it’s worth you could try this. Before you use the plow on a loose hitch with the horses, pull it with a forecart or a tractor to see how it behaves. Hitch it low and very short to begin with. It should enter the earth pretty much on its own and plow shallow. Get it so it will do that and then see if it needs a depth wheel by playing with the height and length of the hitch.

    #66831
    Ronnie Tucker
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    that is a hillside plow .the latch is gone that holds it in place.it appears to have had a wood beam in it once upon a time.has somebody put pipe in it for handles. could it be a vulcan plow. ronnie tucker

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