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- July 10, 2011 at 11:49 am #42919jen judkinsParticipant
I have a question about yokes. I use D-ring Harnesses and my forecart came with a pin style yoke and jockey sticks (I think that’s what they are called) that attach to the harness clips. This weekend I pulled a cart that a neighbor built. He built a yoke that was a single piece with 4 eyebolts. Worked well, but I had a hard time getting the team hitched in as snugly as I am used to. You can see this yoke here: http://www.draftanimalpower.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2474&d=1310260066 I see alot of these yokes in my neighborhood.
So what is the functional differences between the two styles outside my observations so far. The reason I am asking is that this guy made several and I was considering buying one. It has a ring style attachment to the pole which is nice since my current yoke is useless on another cart.
Thanks for any input.
July 10, 2011 at 1:09 pm #68387LStoneParticipantHi jen. I have used both types of yokes. I think that the only real difference is purely simpliciity , less moving parts, and cost. I think if you measure vertically the single piece yoke and compare to the jokey yoke situation the pole will naturally carry itself lower on the jockey yokes vs. the single neck yoke as well. Were both poles the same length? Is the pin type, the type that stabs into the end of the pole? That yoke will be further out on the pole and thus the hitch, looser on that pole using the ring style yoke on the same pole by inches. Now this is just an observation from a novice, and I am sure you will get more replies to your question; but it looks like you could have raised the pole a little more by dropping a link or two more links on the tugs in the pic and been fine. Other than that I hope your parade went well. Looks like a good turn out. Oh yes, and a nice team to boot!
Larry
July 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm #68384jen judkinsParticipant@LStone 28075 wrote:
but it looks like you could have raised the pole a little more by dropping a link or two more links on the tugs in the pic and been fine.
This seems counter intuitive to me (remember I am blonde). Seems like the pole would come up by shortening the tugs…what am I missing.
July 10, 2011 at 7:55 pm #68379Donn HewesKeymasterHi Jenn, Dropping a link is another way of saying to shorten the tug by one link. You both said “raise the tongue by shortening the tug”. I thought it looked high enough. I struggle to get my my horses hooked tight enough some times. I find the D ring unforgiving for hooking to a cart that is already hooked to something else; IE. you can’t move the cart at all while hooking. My only concern with that one piece style of neck yoke is not allowing the jockey yoke to move with the shoulders as the animal walks. Since it is going directly to the D ring maybe that doesn’t matter. I have been planning to make my self some new yokes this fall, so I will be interested to hear other responses. Donn
July 10, 2011 at 10:22 pm #68367Carl RussellModeratorI agree with Donn. The straight neck yoke should be used for firewood. Unless the horses are walking nose to nose at all times, that style yoke will restrict their free movement. This is particularly true when turning corners, when the inside horse wants to be stepping up, especially when pulling a load. The straight yoke is made for people who think that horses should sweep, or step sideways, whenever they are turning.
As far as tightening a D-ring harness, it is a simple matter of pushing against the single-tree with your knee as you pull back on the trace. You should also be able to get the horses to step, or lean, back as you do this. When you push forward on the singletree, the pole will rise even if the piece you are attaching to doesn’t. I use this method when hooking to a fully loaded sled, and have no problem at all getting the traces their tightest.
Carl
July 10, 2011 at 11:34 pm #68386near horseParticipantWith regard to “looseness” in hooking –
too loose = potential neck yoke sliding off end of pole (assuming you’re using that style) but
too tight = no room for horses to step back from tension when at rest w/o moving the load backwards.So I guess I’ll ask – do you all want some slack in the “suspension” btwn neck yoke and singletree? Not drooping but visible lack of tension on the traces.
July 11, 2011 at 1:18 am #68391mitchmaineParticipanthey geoff,
with d-ring, it can be snug or tight between yoke and evener, and still have no strain from britchen on horses. they are loose, so to speak, with the weight of the pole on their jacksaddles. nice system.
i agree with carl about the straight yoke. there is a neckyoke for d-ring that looks like an evener, that doesn’t use jockey yokes. it pivots and breaks to each horse at there heads just like the evener does at their tails. heavier than the jockey yokes but work well and are quite common around here.mitch
July 11, 2011 at 10:06 am #68380Donn HewesKeymasterCarl, I hear you about hooking with a knee on the evener. I think the thing I am lacking so far is horses that instinctively lean back. This is still new for them. When you move them back with the lines it is tricky. Don’t want a lot of moving while hooking. I am getting better at it, but my interns are still struggling a little. I also have to make myself some new tongues. Most of my equipment is hooked on the third link. My gas powered cart is using one or two links. This doesn’t leave a lot of room for my big mares, and the pole really isn’t high enough. I would also like to make my front side straps two inches longer, but will have to wait for the new tongue. My brother cut a tongue for the PTO cart so I should be able to change that soon. Must do it before NEAPFD! Today will test the horses baling in 89 degree heat. My last day of first cutting.
July 11, 2011 at 10:43 am #68377Does’ LeapParticipantI loosen the front side strap on one of my horses, follow Carl’s procedure, and then tighten the side strap. Also, if you have a second person around, you can have them lift the pole while you are hitching.
George
July 11, 2011 at 1:06 pm #68376AnonymousInactive“The straight yoke is made for people who think that horses should sweep, or step sideways, whenever they are turning.”
Carl,
Would the straight yoke be good for helping train a team to sweep? Mine have a tendency to always want to walk forward as they turn, sometimes I just want them to side step to get around somethuing i.e. stump or rock.
Fred
July 11, 2011 at 1:58 pm #68368Carl RussellModerator@FredNH 28097 wrote:
“The straight yoke is made for people who think that horses should sweep, or step sideways, whenever they are turning.”
Carl,
Would the straight yoke be good for helping train a team to sweep? Mine have a tendency to always want to walk forward as they turn, sometimes I just want them to side step to get around something i.e. stump or rock.
Fred
I hear you Fred, but it really helps the horse sidestep if they still have SOME forward motion, especially the inside horse, as it allows them to cross over with the hind feet. Even sweeping, I usually ask the inside horse to step up.
I bought a sled once that came with a straight neckyoke. I tried it, and I just think it has no value. It might HELP as you say, keeping them even, but I think it offers more problems than benefits.
Carl
July 11, 2011 at 5:25 pm #68375Mark CowdreyParticipantI echo George’s comment. Carl & I went around on this on a thread a year or so ago.
While I don’t doubt that leaving your near side front side strap(FSS) (from the D-ring to the jockey yoke) on your near horse (left & left) adjusted in its “hitched” position while hooking to an implement is doable, particularly for some one who is rugged, I believe that George’s method is easier (takes less strength) for a couple of reasons.
If the FSS is “tight”, in order to hook the last trace the chosen link must be brought back past the point of the hook on the wiffletree (or tug, depending on the style). This distance of a couple inches can be quite a challenge. When using the FSS tightening method this is not a factor.
Also, as Carl pointed out, as you tighten the last tug the resistance you are overcoming is the weight of the pole as it pivots at the implement end and the front rises. You are also lifting the neckyoke assembly. I find that when I tighten the FSS last, I stand in front of the horses facing the rear with the outside end of the near horse’s jockey yoke on my left upper thigh or hip. As I draw the strap end towards me I can directly lift the yoke (and pole end) with my body.
Also, it may be worth mentioning that even w the FSS loose the horses need to be standing not too far forward to hook the tugs. If your horses are not standing evenly when you hook the last one and assuming that you hook the near side of the near horse last, remember that if your off horse eases back the near side of your evener will pivot forward making it easier to hitch.
I hope this is helpful.
MarkJuly 11, 2011 at 8:10 pm #68385jen judkinsParticipantI appreciate the tips on hitching, boys. I admit I struggle sometimes on my own…but I manage and I use both the loose fss on the near horse as well as my knee. With my cart and jockey yoke style set-up, I don’t have a problem. It may just be the difference in the pole/yoke weight. My cart has a sliding axle that I can use to unweight the pole, which helps me working alone. I thought the straight single piece yoke made the whole set up sort of inflexible and therefore harder to get snug…for me anyway.
Anyway, that wasn’t really my question. I was more interested in the differences between the yoke styles. The team went fine in the straight yoke, but I could see how it might hinder them if I had to do some manuveuring. Probably pass on that style though based on your collective comments. Kevin Tucker PM’d me about a nice jockey yoke set up with a ring that sounds quite reasonable…and probably makes more sense for use on other vehicles. Boy, I’m racking up quite a collection of dohickeys!
July 11, 2011 at 9:53 pm #68378Does’ LeapParticipant@Jen Judkins 28103 wrote:
I was more interested in the differences between the yoke styles.
Jen:
I am a big fan of the plug yoke – tight, neat, functional, and safe. Here’s the link:
http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?2646-Barden-style-neck-yoke&highlight=plug+yoke
George
July 12, 2011 at 12:47 am #68369Carl RussellModerator@Mark Cowdrey 28102 wrote:
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While I don’t doubt that leaving your near side front side strap(FSS) (from the D-ring to the jockey yoke) on your near horse (left & left) adjusted in its “hitched” position while hooking to an implement is doable, particularly for some one who is rugged, I believe that George’s method is easier (takes less strength) for a couple of reasons.
…I should really let this go. I really don’t care how anybody hitches their horses.
But I got to say, that I haven’t been straining myself every time I hitched my horses for the last 25 years. I may be big, and rugged, but my way is way more easy than the FSS method.
I am actually using the strongest muscle in my body, which translates to less effort. I do not “pull” on any thing. I do not have to lift anything.
After I have hitched the two inner traces, and the off-side trace, I reach up with my left hand to grab the last trace, I tug backward on it, telling the horse to back. As he leans back, I place the end of the singletree on my thigh and lean forward. The horse is actually applying the most power. I can easily compress the hitch several inches beyond the point I need to hook.
I double guaran-damn-tee you it is way more easy than walking up to the front of the horse, then applying the power with fingers and forearms, not to mention the extra time.
Once I have the trace hitched, all I need to do is reach out to the lines, and off I go.
Carl
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