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- December 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm #43309AnonymousInactive
Does anyone have any experience with getting a horse to work on a farm and/or log with that has only been used in a show hitch enivronment? Is the transition from the show world to the farm/work world relatively easy? If anyone has any experience with this, or just general suggestions regarding this situation I would be interested in any feed back. thanks, john
December 17, 2011 at 4:46 pm #70996Big HorsesParticipantJohn, of course it totally depends on the horse and who’s been showing it. That being said, 99% of the “show world” has absolutely nothing to do with the real world. We have a couple that have done both, and for the most part, the transition wasn’t that big of a deal, but in alot of ways, they needed to be started over. Horses are inherently smart, and catch on quickly to what you want, if you’re consistent. One of the biggest things to watch for is leg/feet problems, as the “show world” seems to think that it’s cool to have huge, platter like, overgrown feet, and they also think everything needs to be done at a trot, so it’s all hard on the horse.
JohnDecember 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm #70999jacParticipantJust like to add to what John said an that most hitch horses for the show ring are way too tall for practical work with regards draft angle…16.2 is reconed to be the optimum height…. just my take on it…good luck with it …… John
December 18, 2011 at 11:34 am #70990Donn HewesKeymasterAs usual I know nothing about the question at hand but will through in my two cents (in this case maybe one) anyway. First, are these horses you are thinking about getting or you got? I use to be down on tall horses, but I never really owned one. A couple years ago I bought a some what hitchy horse, 17.2 hand Percheron. She has proven to be one of the best horses I have ever had. Granted there are horses a lot taller than her and I still probably wouldn’t wanted them, but I would be afraid to give them a try. As for the experience of being a show horse I wouldn’t worry about it much. I would treat them just like any other horse. What is their temperament? Are they calm and relaxed when you work around them? Do they stand quietly for hitching? If they can pass those tests chances are good they will work on the farm. I when I bring them home I would forget that history. Set the same expectations you would for any horse you bring home.
December 18, 2011 at 1:53 pm #71002AnonymousInactiveThanks for the information/opinions John and John.
Donn, this would be a new horse (mare) at some point in the future. I am very found of the clydesdale breed and it seems difficult to find anything other than show horses for sale. I am guessing it gets back to not wanting tall horses for working purposes. Not knowing anything about the show world, I didn’t know if there would be any aspects of “show training” that would make for a poor work horse.
Thanks,
JohnDecember 18, 2011 at 6:11 pm #70997Big HorsesParticipantJohn,
Go to the National Clyde sale in April, in Springfield, IL. We picked up 4 young mares a couple years ago for great prices. What you’re looking for (just like what we were looking for!) will go cheaper than the really “hitchy” horses, and will work better too! We got one mare that’s about 16.2 and a great little “old style” Clyde for practically nothing and she’s a dream to drive! The previous owner had way more money in training than we paid for the mare….plus she’s gonna (hopefully) put some good babies on the ground for us. There always seems to be plenty of people there that are headed all directions, so shipping isn’t bad.
We went there to buy a pair of geldings, and came home with 4 mares instead…. what’s wrong with that picture??? hahhaa
One thing about “hitch” horses is they’re so used to being “jacked up” and checked up, that they can be a bit goofy to work around when you first get them….that’s what the “show world” thinks is great…. usually it doesn’t take long (if you’re consistent and quiet) to get them straightened out, but like I said, you’ll have to teach them to work, as they’ve never done anything much more than trot around in a circle in an arena….
JohnDecember 19, 2011 at 5:07 pm #71006Billy FosterParticipantJohn
I am about as green at being a teamster as one can get, so my information needs to be taken with that in mind. We just bought 2 Haflingers from a Hitch horse teamster. Both were a little high energy at first but are quieting down really fast. I have just been doing a lot of stopping and hanging around kind of jobs with them. It appears to me that they are calming down the more they realize I DON’T want them to trot everywhere and that standing around is part of the job. I am very happy with both these guys, and I have NO desire to do anything but work with them i.e. no showing or anything like that. One of them “Tank” I got because he did not match the other horses in his hitch and the owner said he was not “hitchy” enough. The first time I drove him, before buying him, I was a little nervous about how anxious and high energy he was. He is 9 and has always been a hitch horse but in several days he is relaxing. Tank has taken to this type of work very well. Here is a picture I took yesterday of us pulling some dead wood up to the landing, we took several trips. So for what it is worth I say I would definitely look at hitch horses. If you look at the personality of the horse I bet it may be a good place to get a deal on a horse that would rather work on a farm than be on a hitch team.
Billy
December 19, 2011 at 8:35 pm #70992near horseParticipantIME – the presence of other horses that know their business and have a relationship with you certainly helps a newbie horse figure out the ropes.
December 20, 2011 at 1:32 am #71003AnonymousInactiveThank you for the input Billy, it is always good to get the perspective of someone who has gone through the experience already.
John, Springfield would be a pretty good haul for me, but it does sound like a good time. I don’t know that I would be confident enough to pickup a horse at auction just yet. I guess what you touched on is exactly what I was concerned about, getting something that was all keyed up and trained to perform differently than what I would otherwise need. You wouldn’t be interested in selling one of those great mares you picked up would you?? 😀
Geoff, I think your opinion is valid as well. It probably wouldn’t take long for a new horse to relax and settle in given the right setting.
John
December 20, 2011 at 2:07 am #70993dominiquer60ModeratorThere is a saying in the Show Horse world that “Show horses can work, but work horses can’t show,” but why would we want them to anyway?
I had the privilege of stabling in the draft horse barn at the county fair with my steers this summer. I met the most impressive show horse that I have ever met. A short (16.2) grey mare that except for height fit the show part to the T, head up, flame coming out of her nostrils and scotchbottoms a flyin’. She even led a cobbed together 6up hitch. A college girl was riding her one night and she had her going like a Saddlebred, heels to her elbows. The owner let me ride her and I got her to settle down in no time and got as low and slow as scotchbottoms will allow. She was hitched to a stone boat and a set of drags and worked calm and fine, then that afternoon the girls raced her in the gymkhana.
A good well trained horse, is a good well trained horse regardless of what they were bred for. Though I would not want a big hitchy horse, I think many of them can become good work horses if we give them the opportunity. Just my thoughts.
December 20, 2011 at 4:17 am #70994Simple LivingParticipantAs Erika just stated, A good well trained hore, is a good well trained horse, regardless of what they were bred for.
We have a 7yr old Haflinger mare that my son rides and drives for fun and 4H. I use her as well to plow and disc. In the past 4years They have been Reserve High point winner in the contesting division at the county fair as well as Reserve Champion Draft Pony single cart, and Grand Champion in Draft Driving Reinsmanship at the Ohio State Fair. I have to toot my own horn here as this little mare was out of my favorite mare and my stud. She was bred, born, and trained right here at our place! (not that I am all that, just got a little lucky I think 🙂 ) That all being said, she is a dream to ride on trail rides and will work her butt off all day in the field. I guess what I am trying to say is that you get what you put in to it. If you put the time in, you will be pleased with the result.
Gordon
December 20, 2011 at 11:25 am #70991jen judkinsParticipant@dominiquer60 31094 wrote:
A good well trained horse, is a good well trained horse regardless of what they were bred for. Though I would not want a big hitchy horse, I think many of them can become good work horses if we give them the opportunity. Just my thoughts.
Truer words were never spoken. Coming from my saddle horse background, I have always believed in cross training my horses, so that they do anything I consider appropriate for them. That said, some horses’ bodies are just better suited to certain jobs.
I have one of those big hitchy horses. I did not choose him, he chose me….long unrelated story. When in the woods skidding logs, I frequently find myself thinking….’boy he sure isn’t designed for this sort of work, but he certainly LOOKS GOOD, doing it!’. Seriously, he’s the best horse I have known and very versatile. He rides, drives single and double and as a single I frequently drive him without blinders. Of course, if I had been in the position to pick my team, I would have passed on him. I guess what I am saying, is, pick a nice horse…one you like and feel comfortable with. If you pay attention, you will know the horse or team when you see them or lay hands on the lines. Horses are extremely adaptable and surprise me all the time with what they are capable of. Good Luck.
December 20, 2011 at 12:34 pm #70987Carl RussellModeratorIt is people who choose to show, not the horse. That being said, I never like buying another person’s horse. I purposely look for animals 2-3 years old with little or no training. Handling is great, but the less time in the harness, or even task orientation, the better.
This is not to say that there aren’t capable working horse trainers out there, nor that you couldn’t buy a horse with a good start, but my preference is to put the foundation under my own horses myself.
It may be true that you need to go to the show market to get the breed-line and features that you are looking for, but I would have the same hesitation buying a conditioned show horse that I have considering a conditioned plug.
John, you have done a fantastic working with your young horses. If your objective is to have reproductive capacity on the farm, I would just consider the timing, and whether or not you need to buy an adult conditioned mare. If so, then all of the above comments by others are totally appropriate.
I don’t envy you trying to consider finding breeding stock in the midst of the show horse industry. Those are considerations that are way over my head. I would start now looking for someone to talk to who has a lot of experience with judging the Clydesdale bloodline, and then work backwards from there to find the right mare.
It’s good to constantly be raising your line of sight above the horizon….. keep up the good work.
Carl
p.s. A big part of my rationale for buying unseasoned animals is the price :rolleyes:
December 21, 2011 at 11:51 am #71004AnonymousInactiveI am motivated on two fronts with this purchase. One, I would absolutely be making the purchase for breeding purposes. I am in agreement with Carl that I don’t want to expose myself to the potential of buying someone elses problems, which is why I bought yearlings when I intially started. That being said, my second reason for the purchase is related to having two young horses with the same level of experience and making the next step by working them in a team. Most of the information that I have gathered during my very limited amount of experience has indicated that, from a safety standpoint hooking a younger less experienced horse with an older more experienced horse is desirable.
I realize my reasons are very contradictory, but at this point with the level of experience on my part (limited) this approach seams to be the safest for all involved. I would be interested though in hearing people’s comments on my thought process of not wanting to team up my youngsters together, but rather hooking them individually with a more experienced horse initially. Am I being to cautious? Thanks, John
December 21, 2011 at 12:26 pm #70988Carl RussellModeratorJohn, there is no doubt that hooking an inexperienced horse with one more experienced CAN be a great way to introduce them to work.
Judging from the way one is working (from video), I personally think you have a good foundation laid. The question still remains whether or not you can get a horse that is worth hooking them to. AND if you are questioning your own experience, then will that more experienced horse be able to make up for what you think you lack?
When I was beginning and hooking inexperienced horses, I asked an older very savvy teamster to come and assist me. I was pretty unsure of myself, but he just stood by and watched. First he felt he needed to make me do it myself, and second he knew if I couldn’t do it, I wasn’t ready.
I was hooking two that had been working well single, but had no experience working as a team. They became a very steady well-behaved team.
There may be some teamsters in your area that you could call on. There also may be some more experienced horses in your area that could stand in, saving you money and possible headaches. The problem with you introducing any other horse into the picture is that you need to get comfortable with that animal too, as I wouldn’t suggest that you allow someone else hook your horse next to their animal…. it should all be under your control.
I’ll let you decide for yourself where you go with it, but know that you can call on me if you think I could help.
Carl
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