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  • #43318
    Does’ Leap
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    I have been practicing crop tree release on my 100 acre woodlot for the past 12 years – first with a tractor and winch, now with horses. The harvest has mainly consisted of hemlock saw logs and firewood. I have also harvested some spruce and hardwood logs. Through my own experience as well as walking my woods with my forester, I have a pretty good idea of not only crop trees, but trees (especially hemlock), that are passed their prime and are on the decline. My main criteria for harvest are (1) releasing crop trees (i.e. minimal defects, straight trunks, and healthy crowns); and (2) getting rid of the junk (i.e. trees that will never have merchantable value and/or are on the decline).

    I am less certain on harvesting healthy trees in denser stands, especially hemlock which is fairly shade tolerant. Can anyone comment on estimating basal area using a nickel (at 27″) and how many trees should fall outside the nickel? If possible, I would prefer not to have to estimate height. Also, any comments/suggestions the management strategy detailed in my first paragraph would also be appreciated.

    George

    #71047
    Rick Alger
    Participant

    George,

    I hope someone who knows more than I do will jump in, but for now I can say that I have done this using my thumb instead of a nickel in a stand of Norway spruce. The goal in this case was to average about eight leave trees fatter than my thumb. It worked well on this site.

    #71035
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    George, it is not as simple as just finding BA. You should also have mean stand diameter. In stands with more than 30% hemlock, 9″ MSD residual BA should be above 120 sqft/ac.. For similar stands with 16″ MSD, residual BA should be 160 sqft/ac or higher.

    Every tree that you count (larger than your thumbnail at arms length) equals 10 sqft/ac.

    Of course this is all depends on generalizations on a stand-wide basis, and total acceptance of even-aged management. In Hemlock you will notice that it generally reproduces in patches, so you may be reducing BA in one area and not in another. Also Crop Tree management is more of an all-aged management strategy, which is based more on diameter distribution than on BA.

    One of the subtleties of crop tree management is recognizing that sometimes there are no crop trees without creating openings where regen can get established.

    If you are just trying to keep the overstory stocking high, then the rule of “thumb” will be adequate. I would say you’d be safe keeping the residual BA above 120-140 saft/ac. (12-14 tree bigger than your thumb, or nickle).

    Carl

    #71041
    Rod
    Participant

    How far away from the tree do you stand to do the thumb measurement?

    #71048
    Rick Alger
    Participant

    Stand in one spot and slowly turn in a circle counting fat trees as you go around. Don’t worry about distance from any one tree. Your focus is the stand.

    #71036
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    @Rod 31133 wrote:

    How far away from the tree do you stand to do the thumb measurement?

    Your eye forms a triangle, the apex is the center of your eye, and the two sides are the lines of sight at either side of your thumb, or the nickle. By sighting at your thumb you project this triangle out into the stand. If the the object of measurable size is held at a constant distance from your eye, then the area within the rays of the triangle are constant in relation to the distance from your eye, using the relationship between similar triangles.

    Basal area is the area of the circle of the plane that intersects the tree trunk at breast height. There is a correlation between basal area and diameter, and a relationship between diameter and tree size, which in turn relates to stand density. Using the area of the circle of tree diameter, a cumulative number can be created to show the percentage of an area that is occupied by trees, in other words measurable stand density.

    Many small trees per acre can have the same measured BA as a few large trees, so that is where mean stand diameter comes in.

    When measuring BA with an object such as a thumb or a nickel, you sample the trees that are larger than the displacement of the object. Small trees up close may count, but farther way won’t. Large trees can be counted at a longer distance from plot center. There are formulas relating tree size, object size, and numbers of trees per acre.

    Suffice to say that the rule of thumb is 10 sqft/ac/per tree sampled.

    Carl

    Here is a link to Ben Meadows catalog showing another more accurate device.
    http://www.benmeadows.com/BEN-MEADOWS-Cruise-Angle_s_102336/Cruising-Prisms-and-BAF-Tools_31221837/?cat_prefix=OAWP

    #71049
    Does’ Leap
    Participant

    Carl:

    Do the “factors” on the tool from Ben Meadows have to do with mean stand diameter? When you are cutting a non-marked stand, do you give an educated guess on mean stand diameter or do you actually take a random sample and calculate. I want to cut and skid wood responsibly to the benefit of my woodlot. I don’t necessarily want to bring my calculator out to the woods and review quadratics. I’ve done some reading, taken a few “webinars” from Cornell, and consulted from time to time with my forester. With these tools and a decent head on my shoulders can I do an adequate job of managing my forest? If so, how would you go about it as a non-forester?

    George

    #71042
    Scott G
    Participant

    George,
    I’ll throw out my two cents as a western forester and let Carl handle it for your region. First, in order to get mean stand diameter you really need to do a proper cruise that is guided by whichever sampling method you use. Carl will tell you what he likes and probably is preferred for your region. Out here we run both variable & fixed plots.

    BA (Basal Area) is based on the surface measurement of wood as measured on the stump as if it was cut off at 4.5′ (breast height) Over simplified, but the easiest way to explain it. Therefore, if you have a BA of 70 that would be the equivalent of 70 sqft of wood as measured on the stump surface area at 4.5′

    It would definitely be beneficial for you, if you want to intensively manage your own woodlot, to invest either in an angle gauge or a set of prisms. The “thumb” method works, very roughly, but bcan be a bit onerous if your stand density is very high as you end up counting way too many trees. The typical angle gauge has BAFs (Basal Area Factor) of 5, 10, 20, & 40. Prisms 5 – 40 in increments of 5. Use the higher BAF when you are in very thick dog-hair stands and/or dealing with larger timber. My suggestion would be an angle gauge as they are somewhere around $10. Whichever device you are using it is important to maintain your line of site and device parallel to the ground for an accurate measurement. Since you are measuring surface area at breast height (4.5′) that is what you need to aim for when you are measuring. Now that I’ve personally met you though, and knowing how much you are into the “perfect tool for the job”, you just might want a set of prisms to play with…:rolleyes:

    #71050
    near horse
    Participant

    Just wondering – did BA replace DBH (diameter breast height) as a more “functional” tool? They are essentially the same thing except that BA converts DBH to an area (I think).

    #71043
    Scott G
    Participant

    Basal Area (BA) normally refers to stand density as measured as a cumulative of individuals in the stand, based on surface area at breast height. Diameter Breast Height (DBH) is the universal measurment used as a component of different measurements in a cruise, ie.e mean stand diameter, volume tables, percentage of POL vs sawtimber, etc.

    In short, for cruise purposes, they are not the same.

    #71053
    Ethan Tapper
    Participant

    I realize that this must be really confusing for those of us who haven’t spent a lot of time in a forestry classroom… Here is a good article that explains it better (with a lot of stuff about cruise design that you may or may not be interested in):

    https://docs.google.com/open?id=1cFbziHEhTr-THRj75RzUUWi3YPUDpIRhsuHzPMNGlg0IJQ2BV1OtKExPZGPA

    To answer Geoff’s question:
    DBH is still used, but basal area is a way of measuring DBH across the stand. To find the (Quadratic) Average DBH in the stand, you can take the Basal area number and work backwards:
    -Take the square root of (Basal Area/ .005454). In this way, Basal Area kind of represents DBH.

    A prism (or angle gauge, thumb, or nickel) just takes away the need to measure DBH in order to find Basal area by assuming that each “in” tree (judged by your prism, or each tree smaller than your thumb or nickel) equals a certain area per acre (10 ft2 for a 10-factor prism, the typical thumb or nickel, 5 ft2 for a 5 factor prism, 20 ft2 for a 20 factors prism, etc. (“factor” and BAF are the same, by the way). If you were doing a fixed radius plot (which, by the way, might be a better idea if the trees in the stand are really small), you would need the DBH data in order to calculate Basal Area, but the prism kind of leapfrogs that.

    Confusingly, foresters still do measure the DBH of trees “in” their plots, and they use these numbers to extrapolate trees per acre (I think Carl touched on this). If you look around you can find a chart specifically designed to tell you how many trees per acre the tree in your plot, with a certain DBH, represents. The smaller the tree, the more trees/acre it is assumed to represent. Here is the calculation:
    43560/ ((3.14(DBHx2.75)^2) = number of trees per acre represented by each tree of that DBH in your plot (at least using a 10-factor prism or equivalent.

    I told you, it’s confusing.

    As far as hemlocks (a tree with a special place in my heart), the forest service published a hemlock stocking guide. The USFS is not the best about everything, but this should provide some ideas about stocking and management and guide the semi-scientific, semi-intuitive decisions most of us make in the woods.

    http://na.fs.fed.us/pubs/fhp/hemlocks/managing_eastern_hemlock_screen.pdf

    #71044
    Scott G
    Participant

    Nice (plain speak) article that sums it all up, Ethan. Well done!

    #71037
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    So the one component that I didn’t have time to get to before is that BA is a stand-wide measurement, and therefore should not be used as a cutting guide in small sections, nor on a tree-by-tree basis.

    Understanding the biometrics of stand structure is really only a start at the science of forestry. We (us forester) have all kinds of tables and charts to help us decipher management strategies etc. When we talk about reducing BA we are speaking on a stand, or even landscape, scale. These guidelines are based on an even-aged philosophy of growing trees at their optimum growth rate given competition with other trees. Reduce stocking, increase growth rate.

    However, when it comes down to application it is much more art than science. We rarely use a prism, or BA tool, when marking for harvest. Those decisions are based more on specifics of tree health, growth form, and other micro-site factors. If a stand is “over-stocked” the theory is to reduce stocking. There is a minimum stocking level below which a thinning could decrease the growing stock to a point where the stand area is not being used to its fullest capacity. These lower levels may also allow for the establishment of undesirable species. However there are times when we purposely reduce stocking to actually encourage stand regeneration.

    All of this is to say that when trying to maintain adequate stocking, the guidelines are just that. If there is a lot of defect and decline in a section of your woodlot, you may want to do a patch-cut, significantly reducing BA. There may be other areas where you may want to maintain a higher stocking than the guidelines call for.

    George, I think you should be able to develop a “feel” for what you want to see in your woodlot, and not have to carry a calculator…. I don’t. One important thing to remember is that “overstocked” is a purely human concept. Forests naturally strive to an Overstocked condition, with mortality, blowdown, defect. This condition is what leads to the ecological state known as “forest”. To blindly reduce stocking purely to increase growth rate of trees is too simple. Just look at the way your stand wants to grow, and work accordingly.

    Look at the individual trees in the cutting area and decide based on your experience watching them, and from what you know about the ones you have cut, and decide whether or not they need more room, or if there are some that are wasting your resources, or if they can just keep going for a few more years, or whether you need a new stand to start over with.

    Carl

    #71045
    Scott G
    Participant

    @Carl Russell 31152 wrote:

    One important thing to remember is that “overstocked” is a purely human concept.Carl

    Just another example of the marked differences in inter-regional forestry. Overstocked is definitely not just a human concept in the Rocky Mountains. In my region, it truly is a measure of a site’s carrying capacity. It should not be confused with terms of stand condition such as mature or exhibiting old-growth charecteristics. Some regional forest cover types, such as ponderosa pine, are well beyond the parameters of that type of forested ecosystem’s historic range of variabilty. Our forests were driven by fire whether that was a high frequency/low intensity fire regime with forest types such as ponderosa pine or a low frequency/high severity scenario that includes dominant landscape species such as lodgepole, spruce, & sub-alpine fir. There is also the messy middle which is a mixed-severity regime which created quite a mosaic across the landscape. So for us out west when it comes to management, it is all about appropriate density and species composition. Crop tree management, as you folks practice it, does not exist out here.

    #71038
    Carl Russell
    Moderator

    @Scott G 31153 wrote:

    …. Overstocked is definitely not just a human concept in the Rocky Mountains. In my region, it truly is a measure of a site’s carrying capacity….

    I did not mean that it was not a real forest condition without ecological ramifications. It’s just that without human evaluation and intervention, the situation would be self limiting, with some results being perhaps more ecologically important than the maintenance of the covertype or the currently established biological community.

    The basis for these stocking guides is timber management, so the underlying definition of “overstocked” has to do with the condition of the forest in terms of producing timber. If there are other objectives such as wildlife habitat, or soil protection, or aesthetics, then the term “overstocked” is out of context.

    It is a pet peeve of mine because it sets up a finite expectation for people in how they look at biological communities. Life is a continuum, where extremes are attained, collapse/mortality occurs, and recycling and regrowth follows. Restricting certain extremes from occurring has its place, such as in fire suppression, but on a whole I think we need to allow for more appreciation of broader ecological goals. In my mind letting sections of forest attain an overstocked condition can have very important impacts.

    Carl

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