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  • #43441
    Does’ Leap
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    I have a 32″ steel head or nose for a stoneboat. Any suggestions on the appropriate length? I was thinking 8′. What is the proper way to secure the wood on the back of the stoneboat? I was thinking of carriage bolting 1/4″ x 2″ flatbar to the the back. Any other suggestions?

    George

    #71749
    Tim Harrigan
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    I make mine just a bit shorter tip to end than 8 ft so I can put it in the back of the pickup and close the gate. That works well for me, I can easily carry a 12-14 ft log and keep it off the ground with that length. I like 2 inch oak planks but SPF works OK as well. I cut two cross pieces of 2×2 oak and secure them about 1 ft in from each end with 3/8 inch lag screws. I like the 2×2’s because with the boat planks plus the 2×2 the logs carry about 4 inches off the ground, helps them ride clear even with a wow in the log in many cases. Carriage bolts would work as well, just a little more work sinking the heads from the bottom. Probably work better than lag screws with SPF, SPF does not secure lags all that well, too soft. Will you be skidding logs with the boat?

    One weakness with a 1/4 inch flat bar is you will have problems wrapping a choker chain around the log at the front, if you are thinking of doing that.

    #71746
    Does’ Leap
    Participant

    Tim, does SPF stand for spruce, pine, fir? I already have some 2″ ash sawed for the project so I will use that. I will not be using it for skidding logs, just hauling gear when I am logging single and for basic farm use. Can you explain how 1/4″ flat bar interferes with chaining logs? I am not sure I understand that.

    Thanks.

    George

    #71750
    Tim Harrigan
    Participant

    Yes, spruce-pine-fir. When I chain the log I run a choker around it and run the end through the hole in the front of the boat. That holds the end of the log down and lifts the back end off the ground if it is a long log. So the 2 inch piece just gives 2 inches of clearance under the log for the chain. The 1/4 inch plate won’t give any clearance for the choker.

    #71753
    mitchmaine
    Participant

    my stoneboat is about 8′ long and cleated at the end with a 2×6 with carriage bolts up through the bottom. but……….when i was younger, we had a stoneboat about 12′ long and it had no binding on the end. it was four peices of two inch planks bolted into the nose with a two inch opening in the middle running the length of the stoneboat. we towed it behind the baler and someone walked behind taking bales out of the balecase and stacking them on the stoneboat. when there were about a dozen bales on the stoneboat, the same person took an iron bar and using the slot in the planks, stuck it in the ground in front of the stacked bales and stripped the bales off the boat into a pile and started all over again. so depending on how you intend to use it, you can get away with lots of different methods.

    #71747
    Does’ Leap
    Participant

    Here she is…..

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    An 8 footer with the nose carriage bolted through and a 2×4 ash cleat at the back. I re-used most of the 1/2″ carriage bolts for the nose and peened them over. Back has 3/8 carr. bolts – lock washered and tack welded (quicker than the ball peen). A few follow up questions:

    • How do you arrange/secure your chain to keep the boat from running up on your horses going downhill?
    • How do you keep your stuff (chainsaw, gas, stones, or whatever the case may be) from rolling off your boat?
    • How are folks using their boats? Other than the traditional hauling stone, I have read about Tim hauling logs and Mitch hauling his logging gear to the woods and back when cutting and twitching with a single horse.

    George

    #71754
    mitchmaine
    Participant

    hi george,
    nice looking job. looks great. i know we don’t have the same country you have over there but ice a on a slope is ice on a slope, and i have been looping a twelve foot chain under the stone boat hooking in both sides to the draw chain shortened up to run three or four feet back under the load. works good for me and if i ride the load i get more brakes. don’t try it on glare ice first. i’d start in snow and work my way up. i made a one foot sided 2×4 foot box and screwed it down on top of the stoneboat and throw all my stuff in that. pretty simple and adaptable to different needs.

    #71751
    Tim Harrigan
    Participant

    @Does’ Leap 32230 wrote:

    Here she is…..

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    • How do you arrange/secure your chain to keep the boat from running up on your horses going downhill?
    • How do you keep your stuff (chainsaw, gas, stones, or whatever the case may be) from rolling off your boat?
    • How are folks using their boats? Other than the traditional hauling stone, I have read about Tim hauling logs and Mitch hauling his logging gear to the woods and back when cutting and twitching with a single horse.

    George

    http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?4780-Ox-Logging-Skidding-Single

    George, nice stone boat. Don’t get that one dirty. Did you saw up your own ash?

    Here is a link to the video that I posted some time ago skidding some logs on the boat with Will. At about 1:21 you can see a close look at the stake pockets that I have on the sides and in the back of the boat to chain or lash things down on the boat. I chain the logs, bungee cord other smaller stuff including my saw. One thing I keep meaning to do is to make a tool box to carry hand tools, chaps, helmet, chains, water etc. I have always just used a few 5 gal pails lashed down with bungee cords, gets the job done but that’s all I can say about it. I keep picturing a tool box I sit on and ride on. I will have to make it a priority rainy day job.

    I also have two stake pockets at the back of the sled that I use for securing stuff, but the main use is to stabilize the boat on icy or snow covered ground. I run one chain, sometimes two, from the hole in the head of the boat, underneath the boat, up over the back end and hook to the stake pockets. Acts as a bridle chain to hold back the sled going downhill, and the front-to-back arrangement give pretty good side-to-side stability on a side-slope.

    You can also use a pole with the boat if that works better. I do that with young steers but a chain gives more maneuverability in a tight spot, might not work with horses. I can’t do that now working single.

    I also use a boat for hauling round bales out to the feeder, and I salvage dropped hay around the round bale feeder by stacking on the boat and hauling to the run-in shed for bedding. Check fences with it, load it up for conditioning your team, ride on it. Very versatile, useful and simple implement.

    #71748
    Does’ Leap
    Participant

    I liked the idea of the box and added it – serves as a seat too. I really like logging single when the extra horsepower is not needed. You can get places where two cannot and it is easier handling a single tree compared with an evener. Prior to the stoneboat and box, I loaded everything on the horses hames. This works, but the stoneboat is much better. No need to unload everything when you need to twitch logs, just unhook from the boat and go. I can also pack in hay for the horse and a peavey. Thanks Mitch and Tim for the input.

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    George

    George

    #71752
    Tim Harrigan
    Participant

    Nice, George. I knew you would have one before I got around to it. Now you can field test it and let me know if it is perfect or it you might make a second one a little different. And I like the loop for the peavey.

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