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- June 28, 2012 at 6:34 pm #43842Peace of Earth FarmParticipant
We are a small no till veggie, fruit, and herb farm. We do not have much land base to support a team of draft animals or need that much power. We have an opportunity to acquire a single ox that is at working age and all the gear needed. Many folks we have been talking this out with felt you shouldn’t keep a single ox or donkey with out having a companion for them. We raise pigs, chickens, and ducks so there would be other farm animals, plus our dog. The owner of the ox has had it with a small dairy herd, but also by itself. She has had to move around to different situations and this is why she is looking for a good home for him. She felt it would not get lonely and we can’t pass up such a great gift. We would love to hear some feedback from other farmers, especially single ox owners.
Thanks, Jeffrey Peace of Earth Farm, Albany, VTJune 28, 2012 at 7:45 pm #74030Andy CarsonModeratorWelcome Jeffrey!
Any chance you could put a goat or a sheep with your ox? These small ruminants are pretty cheap to buy and keep and I bet the ox would appreciate some company from a grazing animal.June 28, 2012 at 9:54 pm #74036Peace of Earth FarmParticipantThanks Andy, Will goats get along with an ox? Could we use the same type of fencing? We like the idea of a single line, but I am not sure if that would keep goats contained. We only have about an acre of grazing area and could have more in the future when we do some more clearing and have the pigs run through for a few years. Thanks for the feedback. Jeffrey Ellis
June 28, 2012 at 10:51 pm #74031Andy CarsonModeratorJeffery, my brief experience with oxen tells me that if they are given large spaces to graze, they will eat it all quickly and get fat. I am a strong believer in rotational grazing and moving the fence every day. It may seem annoying at first, but it soon becomes part of you ruitine and it really really increases the productivity of the pasture. I suspect you might benefit from a similar system. If you use a small mobile grazing area of electronet, which will hold the goat(s). By rotating goats and an ox over some mixed grass/brush areas, you could probably expand your pasture, too. My goats and oxen aren’t together very often, but when they are they basically ignore each other. They have their own kind to associate with, though. I think they would get along if alone, but someone else may had tired this exact thing before. The goats would appreciate some kind of shelter when it rains, too, but i am sure you can figure something out. This is probably how I would go about it. I am excited to hear how your single works out. Please share.
June 29, 2012 at 2:45 am #74035OxhillParticipantA single ox is a great idea but we never had just one animal. Cattle are herding animals and as such should do best in a herd but I have seen this same issue addressed in family cow circles and the consensus seemed to be that single cows do just fine.
June 29, 2012 at 2:22 pm #74037Peace of Earth FarmParticipantWe definitely will be rotational grazing. They will be followed by chickens and then pigs. We have an old Christmas tree farm and the chickens and pigs have been great. Adding one or two ruminants to the mix will help convert our land to more productive crop land faster. A goat shelter on sleds could probably be pretty basic and perhaps the ox could move it from paddock to paddock. Thanks again and we’ll keep you posted.
June 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm #74038Peace of Earth FarmParticipantThat’s good to hear and we’ve heard the same from some other farmers. The owner of the ox feels comfortable that he is going to a good home even though he might be the only ruminant. Thanks for the feedback Andrew.
July 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm #74027VickiParticipantThat is a great gift and i think you should take advantage of it. A single ox can be so handy! Ideal would be if you had another bovine or goat or sheep or pony, but with plenty of other critters and people around, the ox will probably be fine.
July 23, 2012 at 8:41 pm #74039Peace of Earth FarmParticipantThank you all for your valuable feedback. Lucky arrived at our farm last week and seems to be adjusting well. We have never had cattle before and it’s amazing how fast they can eat through a pasture. We have him behind a single line and we move him every 3 days or so. His paddock is about 45’x65′ and he will be followed by chickens (we hope to have him move the mobile chicken structure!) and pigs. We will use him to smooth over the old pig paddocks with spruce logs. Has anyone tried this technique? We have heard it works, but not sure of the set-up. We are going to borrow a single tree and just need to figure out to set up the spruce log. I look forward to many more post and future dialogue with all you great folks. Peace, Jeffrey
July 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm #74032Andy CarsonModeratorThis is great Jeffrey, I would love to see any pictures you haev to share. My oxen eat their pasture really fast too. If I give my oxen 3 days worth of graze, they eat 50-75% of the grass the first day, 20-40% the second day, and the last day they would finish up any remaining grass and start to work on brush and weeds out of hunger. These numbers aren’t scientifically observed, but I think you get the idea. I know the system you describe works, but it causes more day to day variation in thier diet than I personally prefer. I am sure you will get the hang of a system that works for you as time goes on. My oxen are big liars when it comes to food. They always ask for more and more and rarely need it. I have learned to ignore thier cries and instead feel thier ribs and hip bones, as these don’t lie. I know it’s annoying to more the whole paddock every day, though. In my setup, I have a single line that I can advance daily and move the follow-up line once a week or so (dependign on the pasture I’m in). This way, I am only moving a single line every day and don’t have to mess with the water (which is the most annoying part for me) and the majority of the fence. Hard to know if a system like this would work in your situation, but wanted to share anyway.
I am unfamiliar with this technique you are describing with the log. I think you are dragging it sideways so as to smooth out mounds and fill in wallows? If you are going downhill, the log might roll up on your ox, which would give me pause if I was working hills (or even flats if the log was very round and rolled easily). I would probably select a log with a convenient elbow, bend, or bow in it that prevents rolling (or even cut the log and bolt it back together in “Vee”). This system seems like it would work OK for smoothing, but if it works to your satisfaction will likely depend on the soil conditions and your expectations/goals for the future use of these areas. What you are going to do with them? On second thought, this might be a great activity reguardless of your future goals as it will be great work for getting used to your new ox. Other than the possibility of the log rolling (which can be fixed), this seems like ideal “get to know you” work. Depending on your future goals, you might follow with another tool, but it will be a much easier task with this experience to fall back on.
July 24, 2012 at 5:15 pm #74028VickiParticipantWorking your new ox for leveling the pig paddock is a great job for you both, but I’m not sure how you are planning to hitch the spruce log for leveling. Countymouse made some good suggestions. I’ve used sturdy wooden pallets loaded with rocks for weight, to level disced up pastures; also a cattle panel loaded with some cinder blocks tied on (this is good for seeding pastures too.) If you plan to need this frequently, you might consider building a leveler of boards for the purpose. There is a plan for a simple drag and harrow that would do the job on page 256 of “Handy Farm Devices and How to Make Them.”
July 24, 2012 at 5:49 pm #74029dominiquer60ModeratorWe use a log drag behind a disc harrow to smooth a field for a crop. We attach it to the disc using a cable that runs through a clevis on the disc and 2 eyebolts on the log. It is free to angle one way or another depending on how we are turning at the ends. As long as you are actively leveling soil (there is some build up of soil in front of the log) I don’t think you should have much of a problem with the log rolling forward on level to rolling ground, but be aware of steep situations.
July 27, 2012 at 2:47 pm #74040Peace of Earth FarmParticipantI’ll try to post some photos when we get a chance. We intended the log to have stubble to help from rolling and act as a harrow. There are no hills where we will be working. We have been seeding the old pig paddocks with experimental crops to feed our chickens and pigs later in the fall. We have been trying japanese millet, sorghum, sunflower, red clover, mangel beets, buckwheat, and oat/pea mix. We sow the seed, rake, and mulch. The clover and oat/pea mix seems to be able to compete with the grasses and bedstraw the best. These paddocks will be for grazing one more year and then will sheet mulch them for our commercial operation. We will eventually have 2-3 acres in no-till for annuals and perennial fruits and veggies. We are currently a little over a half acre. It’s a slow process, but worth not tilling.
July 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm #74033Andy CarsonModeratorFascinating stuff, Jeffery. I am on the edge of seat waiting to see how this works for you. I grew sunflowers this year in a similar system and have been very happy with them, even though cultivating has been a challenge from time to time. The nice thing is that they are about 4-5 feet tall now and the weeds don’t get light anymore. Another crop you might have luck with is turnips. They grow like crazy for me as a cover crop and while I didn’t use them as animal feed, I can imagine that pigs would self harvest these and enjoy doing it.
The other conclusion I have come to with reguard to growing feed for chickens is that while it is useful to have grains (or similar) for calories, it is most critical (at least to me) to grow something that is high in protein. My chickens do pick at the clover, but I can never tell if they are really eating as much of it as I would like them to, so I am uncertain how much I need to supplement with other protein sources so I end up supplementing as if they are not eating clover at all. They do love the sunflower seeds, though, and I can see if and how much of these they eat. I wish here were palatable legume options that were weed resistant, palatable, and didn’t require alot of processing (roasting, grinding, etc). I grew field peas a while ago, and found them to be weed resistant enough, but the widllife dessimated them. Perhaps next year I’ll try them again, as I have more fencing now and a dog that chases critters away.
July 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm #74041Peace of Earth FarmParticipantGreat ideas Erika and Vicki. We will probably need to use some kind of harrow (spring tooth or disc?) with the log behind it. I like the idea of using salvaged material, like a pallet or old hog panel. I’ve heard of some folks using old bed springs.
Andy, We haven’t used turnips as a cover crop yet, but I know the pigs would love to get into a paddock full of it. High protein feeds are very important for the chickens. We grow sunflower and pea shoots year round for sale. The chickens love the spent sunflower trays, but not the peas. We are now using the spent pea trays to top off our hugelkuture terraces to build up organic matter. We have had good luck with amaranth and alfalfa for the chickens. After the amaranth seed is mature, harvest it and hang upside down in grain bags in a cool dry place. We’ve tried to feed comfrey to our animals (not the ox yet) and the ducks seem the most interested. Comfrey is very high in protein and incredibly easy to grow. Just don’t let it go to seed or it will be everywhere. Apparently you can make silage from comfrey and then the pigs might be more interested, but haven’t tried that yet. - AuthorPosts
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