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- June 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm #43846Andy CarsonModerator
I got my acre of sunflowers in last evening/night, so am crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. the weather has been really cooperative this year, and gave me a few weeks of hot and dry which let me do a meaningful fallow at a time of year where this might have been hard. Then, when the grass was gone, rain was in the forecast, so I said this is a good time to plant. I have had really good luck planting before rain is forecast, so have made this a habit. The ground ended up as worked up as most plowed ground is (thought not as deep), so I don’t know if I would call this min-till in the end. The number of time I went of this field are many, but I was getting rid of quackgrass and this was tough. In the end, I went 1. heavy disc 2. heavy disc (other direction) 3.springtooth harrow (largely ineffective) 4.cultivator with wide sweeps 5. cultivator with wide sweeps (other direction) 6.spike tooth harrow 7. springtooth harrow and 8. spike tooth harrow. Alot of operations, but the harrowing is very fast and I think the varying actions of these different tools was very helpful in getting rid of much of the quackgrass. I particularly like the action of alternating the spring tooth and spike tooth harrow at the end to fluff then level. I ended up planting with a earthway seeder, which was just alright. I like the way it meters seed and the furrow opening action was passable. It does a crappy job at closing the furrow, though, and the press wheel is useless. I will likely end up fiddling with it (as is my way) to fix these issues. I marked the rows with long strands of twine that I ran between step in posts. If you have two strands of twine, and move the posts on one end every time you reach the end of the row, than you don’t have to cross the field again the reset the posts. This system makes for arrow straight rows and the twine is easy to see. Just thought I would share.
June 1, 2012 at 2:41 pm #74061sickle hocksParticipantA super late start to today and only halfway through coffee, so that took me a minute…but ThankS! for the row marking tip, that’s a great idea. I am embarrassed to have not thought of it already. Next year…
I was ready to throw my earthway seeder ‘in the bush’ this spring. I was planting a lot of odd sized bean varieties..and wanting a very wide spacing as there’s not enough moisture here to grow them close. Just growing out some heirloom seed this year, and it’s too precious to be thinning. Trying to modify plates for metering wasn’t great, and the rest of the planter functions also leave something to be desired. Have you ever seen or used the Hoss row seeder, it’s supposed to be a copy of the old planet junior. I just wondered if it would be better.
Good luck with the rain. I managed to hit our first rain just right and things came nicely. Another one coming in a few days so I will be out seeding too. Sometimes the rain doesn’t come here. The old timer’s have a saying ‘Plant in the dust, and your granaries will bust” …..I have no idea what the source of their optimism was.
June 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm #74057Tim HarriganParticipantAndy, you using that other planter you rigged up with the row cleaners?
June 1, 2012 at 5:08 pm #74058Andy CarsonModeratorNo, I didn’t use for a few reasons.
1. The ground was worked up so fine that a hand planter could make a furrow just fine and residue wasn’t a problem.
2. The planter is still set up for a horse with me walking behind to keep an eye on things. I need to fiddle with the drive wheel to make it reliable enough that I don’t have to watch it closely, as I can’t see it as well from up near the team.
3. I am going to use geese and a wheel hoe to cultivate, so I don’t need much in the way of headlands. Hand planting lets me plant where the headlands would have been. I don’t have a second person to either direct the oxen or cultivate from behind. This makes cultivation challenging at my skill level. Directing the oxen fronm behind while I cultivate would be a cool trick, but my boys don’t know it and I need practice for this… It seems esp challenging because my body is busy working and I don’t get to use it for the body language that my boys respond to so well. This choice informs some of the choices related to how I lay out fields for row crops, and also made me chose to have one row crop rather than many.In retrospect, it still would have sped things up substantially to use the planter in the middle of the field and to fill in the ends later by hand. At first pass, I thought: “Well, if I’m going to do some by hand, I might as well do it all.” It did get time consuming to rake the soil back over the furrows by hand, though. I probably should have switched over the planter, but rain was coming so I did what I could. Next year, the planter will be in service again.
June 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm #74059Andy CarsonModeratorI just had a brain flash! I should rig up my planter and cultivator so that the person behind the oxen rides rather than walks. I have a hard time finding a volunteer to walk behind, but I am quite certain I can find one to help if they are riding (esp sitting) and just has to stear and/or say if something looks wrong. I should have thought of this before!
June 2, 2012 at 4:01 am #74062Kevin CunninghamParticipantEvery farmer I have ever talked with has an Earthway and hates it for various reasons but still uses it because there really isn’t anything better for the scale. Why haven’t we made something better?
June 4, 2012 at 1:07 am #74056dominiquer60ModeratorWe have made something better, but it comes at a price, until they come up with something better and just as cheap Earthway it is for some folks. I am happy with my old Planet Jr. #4, not all that great but also not as frustrating as the Earthway.
check out this comparison, http://rethinkingagriculture.com/2011/04/19/jang-or-earthway-a-small-farm-vegetable-seeder-comparison/
And by “we” I mean the Korean government 🙂
June 4, 2012 at 12:59 pm #74063Kevin CunninghamParticipantI have used a Planet Jr at a farm I worked. I liked that one a lot better than the Earthway but have not found one yet. The newer “Plenet Jr” type seeder is still cost prohibitive for me and I have heard the same about the Jang as well. I think what we need is something in between. I would spend $300 for a decent hand seeder but if I have to spend $800-$1200 I might as well make one for the tractor or better yet one for horse or oxen.
June 4, 2012 at 1:38 pm #74060Andy CarsonModeratorPersonally, I futz with nearly every peice of equipment I have ever spent much time using. So, I am never very suprised or disappointed when something doesn’t work all that well. I think the seed metering system on the earthway is pretty good. The rest of the machine leave much to be desired, but the rest of the machine is fixable. I am still not sure if I going to modify the no till seeder to make an ox powered no-till seeder or modify the earthway to make it cover seed better. That is all the row crops I am planting, though, so I think these are winter projects. How successful I am at culvitating these sunflowers and how much weed pressure I get is likley going to inform which tool I use next year.
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