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- January 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm #44415JeanParticipant
Hi, We have had some coyotes in our yard this week, we live less than 2 miles to town with neighbors all around. Are
small dogs on their menu? What about mini horses? My mule lives with the horses and does not like dogs in her pasture, so I think she would defend that area to her death. With the fresh snow this morning I saw at least 3 different sets of prints.Jean
January 17, 2013 at 6:15 pm #76913Andy CarsonModeratorCoyotes kill dogs of all sizes when they can. They even try to lure big dogs out in the woods and gang up on them. My grandparents lost a big lab mix, an australian shepherd, and a kelpie to coyotes in the woods of eastern washington (these were killed singly at different times). They won’t let small dogs out at night. They have two full brother akitas that roam thier property now. These dogs are probably 130 lbs each, damn mean, and never leave each others side. I can’t imagine how many coyotes it would take to bring down that pair, but that’s what it took at their place. Coyotes are not to be triffled with. I also have many neighbors where I live now and worry about single coyotes more than groups. Before I had my big dog, I still didnt let my pugs out at night. Old habits…
January 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm #76916sean518ParticipantWe live in a very rural area, and we have plenty of coyotes around these days. From what I gather, it’s very rare to have a medium to large breed of dog be attacked by coyotes. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but they’re generally more interested in prey animals like sheep and small animals like rabbits and such. That said, there was a single coyote near my barnyard at first light a few months back, and my Akbash mix went toe to toe with it. It’s kind of odd for them to come that close to our house/barn, and even to see them at that time of day as they’re mostly active at night. She chased the coyote around in circles until it ran off. She had no visible wounds when she came back, but she did have some of the coyote’s blood on her. We have three minis in their own pasture and I wouldn’t be worried about them at all. They’re pretty fierce.
I’d be a little more concerned if I was in a more populated area. I think they’re more likely to get accustomed to being in the same area as people, house, dogs, etc.
January 17, 2013 at 8:15 pm #76917Billy FosterParticipantJean
We have a sheep farm in Maine and live every day with coyotes in our back yard. Most of how we manage our flock has to do with keeping the coyotes from having the opportunity to get a lamb. I can say with a lot of confidence that you have had coyotes for some time and you are now merely aware of it because of the snow. My experience with coyotes is very much not similar to Countrymouse’s. We use LGDs to guard our flock and have NEVER EVER had a dog vs. coyote encounter. The local pack knows that they can get a chicken or cat down the road and it is not worth getting injured when there is an easier meal in the neighborhood. Coyotes’ are opportunists if they can get a meal easier than by fighting a dog, they are going there. They evolved to have a very strong self preservation mechanism. In more developed areas there are a lot of places for scavengers to get a safe meal than fighting another dog, do you have neighbors with chickens? As long as they are not loosing birds you are most likely safe. I am not saying that they cannot be fierce, a couple towns over a horse was injured so bad that it had to be put down because it was being chased by a pack of coyotes. This incident was in the end of the winter and it was in a very rural area where there was not a lot of human presence; the game wardens said that the pack was very large and probably had social complications from a large number of male members which created the casing frenzy. Your dogs are probably the best tool you have to let those coyotes know that “this is my space”. Walk the property with your dogs, let them put there sent all over the place. A barking dog advertises to the local pack that “hey I am here and I see you”, if one of your dogs is outside and is barking a lot at night get your spot light out and investigate. You said you live in an area with houses? Spend a little time outside at night and see if you can hear any of the local dogs barking, you may even hear the local pack communicating. Notice where they are each night, you will be able to tell when the group is typically in your area. We are very rural here so our pack has a huge range, we will hear them off in the distance for several weeks and then we will have a lot of activity for a few days and then they are gone again. We have a rule: if we can see them in the pastures we shoot them, at least shoot at them. We like the coyotes that are timid and are only heard; the bold ones that we see need to go. This is why I do not feel trapping helps since you could take a timid one just as easy as a bold one. We will always have coyotes, our job is to teach the pack that our farm is not a safe place for them to go.
BillyJanuary 17, 2013 at 8:31 pm #76914Andy CarsonModeratorThere might be a bit of an east vs west thing going on here. I have to admit, I am still a bit of a transplant in PA. I have read that coyotes tend to not form packs as much in the east, or at least the packs that are not quite so big and well coordinated as in the west. Even at my grandparents place, the dogs were not killed at their doorstep by a roaming pack of coyotes. They were killed because they chased coyotes into the woods where the pack could surround them. Up there, I am quite confident that chasing coyotes into the woods will get all but the biggest toughest dogs killed when they find themselves surrounded by a dozen coyotes and home is a long way away. I don’t think this was about eating the dog, I would guess it’s about protecting turf. That said, I still wouldnt want one of my pugs in the backyard with a coyote.
January 18, 2013 at 1:50 am #76910dominiquer60ModeratorWild dogs hate electric fence. I have had great luck keeping them from chickens with only an electric fence. A friend who has a sheep farm with sometimes over 300 head has never lost a lamb that she knows of in 20+ years. Her philosophy is simple, good fences make good neighbors. She has a hot 4 or 5 strand perimeter fence around all pasture areas and cross fences with electronet. She permits hunters to shot deer, but not coyotes. She believes that the local dog population knows their place on the correct side of the fences and have no problematic habits. If hunters kill them a pushy coyote may take on her farm as new territory and become a problem.
Anna mule should keep them at bay.
January 18, 2013 at 2:56 am #76920EliParticipantWhen I go in the woods I bring a gun unless I’m riding my horse I hear a lot of coyote but seldom see them. I have seen plenty of bloody spots where they ate a deer. My neighbor hunts them shoots half dozen a year.I don’t trap but never thought about being more likely to trap the timid ones. It is a little unnerving when bow hunting and they start making a lot of noise and you have to walk across a 20 acre swamp in the dark. Eli
January 18, 2013 at 11:53 am #76918Billy FosterParticipant@Countymouse 39163 wrote:
That said, I still wouldnt want one of my pugs in the backyard with a coyote.
I think this is good sound advice 🙂
January 18, 2013 at 12:16 pm #76919Billy FosterParticipantDominiquer60 you nailed it!
We use rolls and rolls of electro net fencing to rotationally graze our flock and we have found it, and 2 LGD within the fence, to be a 100% effective coyote deterrent. We pasture lamb in a 8 acre paddock that has forest on 3 sides and still have never, knock on wood, lost a lamb to predation. On multiple occasions we have moved the flock and netting fence off a parcel and the next morning there is coyote scat where the sheep were. I think the net works best, I have seen dogs jump though smooth wire fence. Somehow they figure out that if they are in the air when they go through the fence they don’t get shocked, maybe it is just the coat insulating them. Alternating ground wires may help but I find the netting to work really well. I think the mule would most likely pester the coyote long enough that it would eventually leave. Our horses do not seem to be bothered by them, coyote tracks go in and out of the horse paddock. I have not actually seen the 2 close together but when the coyotes are in the immediate area the horses don’t act any different than normal.
Billy
January 19, 2013 at 12:30 am #76915Rivendell FarmParticipantI hate to add a negative note here, but for quite a few years the electronets did a fine job of keeping coyotes away from our lambs. Then a couple years ago in the fall we lost ten 60 pound lambs to a pack of coyotes in a single night. The nets were all up and energized. They must have jumped over them to get in with the flock. We thought maybe the pups were being trained to hunt, since some of the dead lambs were not eaten. Now we have a guard llama who seems to be doing the job of keeping them safe. Bob
January 22, 2013 at 2:06 am #76911Big HorsesParticipantThe best deterrent for a coyote is lead. One size fits all. Yes they will lure a single or even pair of dogs off and gang up on them. I’ve seen that many times. We do the same as Billy Foster….if we see them, we shoot. Now, we’ve got even better predators to fend off since the govt decided to introduce Canadian Grey Wolves here. They make the coyotes look like mice…
Here’s a set of tracks next to our dog’s track (he’s about a 65# Border Collie cross) to show ya a bit of the difference in size…. and this was less than 20′ from our front door when we were gone less than an hour a couple months ago… John
January 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm #76908JeanParticipantHoly cra&, That belongs to a wolf or coyote?
January 22, 2013 at 8:22 pm #76912Big HorsesParticipantThat’s a wolf, Jean. We’ve lost a few calves from them….
January 23, 2013 at 1:55 am #76909near horseParticipantWe’ve lived for over 20yrs with coyotes within 25 – 50 yards of our house and sheep/goats/dogs and chickens have all lived without a single incident and our fencing is not very good. Worst thing they did was teach our dogs how to howl!
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