Amish horse training

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  • #44478
    Eli
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    I am considering bringing my mare to Simon Bontragger to have her finished. I talked to him last Saturday he thinks he could finish her in a month I explained everything I have done with her. She is green broke to ride, ground drives well, has a good woa, stands to be harnessed and never kicks I told him I have problems when I hook her to the cart and she is pasture sour. He told me he would hitch her with a big Belgian that is dead broke and she will pick it up very fast. He is going to call me tomorrow to see if I want to bring her or not. I would probabally wait a month it been below zero last few days. I will also go check out his horses before I commit. It costs $300 a month plus feed. What do you think? Eli

    #77242
    Jonathan Shively
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    I think like us “English” there are good and bad Amish. I currently have a pony on loan to an Amish family, the dad was looking for a project with his son, I had a QH/Belgian/Haflinger 4 year old mare doing nothing. I taught her to lead, tie and consequently she was line driving real well when I took her to him. About a week he and his son were driving her with their standardbred. Their first four trips were 20 miles each way to his brother’s farm and then she stood tied while they helped with a building project. So her first two weeks on the road she logged over 500 miles. Before this severe cold they were using her single on a small wagon (like with wheelbarrow tires) and she of course has been shod. They love her as she never had any kick or bite in her. They keep her in a lot by the backyard by herself with access to a stall. The kids can pet and catch her and it is a good situation all around. If they ever tire of her, she comes back here. If she dies of old age there or of an accident, well, at least she has done honest work and has been loved instead of being a pasture ornament. So I suggest just dropping in from time to time if it concerns you and see how things are going. Get a ride behind your horse, you’ll get to see how he handles her and give you an idea on how she is progressing.

    #77247
    Eli
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    Thank you for your reply. I talked to Simon and agreed to bring Scarlet in a few weeks when it warms up a little. I will stop and see him before to get a feel for his methods. From our phone conversation I think it will be a good thing. I don’t plan on making a living with her but I would like for her to earn her keep. A times I wanted to buy a broke team but already have 5 soon to be 6 horses. Scarlet is about 1300 lbs and should do anything I need her to. I have a smaller Morgan and another curly mare (very pregnant) to team her with. I am excited to use the horses around the farm and in the woods. Eli

    #77246
    Lanny Collins
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    Eli, I had a couple of qtr horse mares, full sisters 1 year age difference. Neither were broke to ride and I had too many horses and they were not worth much so I decided to find an amish guy to break them to harness. My plan was to give him one for breaking one but he didn’t want another horse and he convinced me that I would be more happy with a team than a single. Anyway, I really didn’t know this guy personally but the local feed store knew him pretty well. I may have been lucky but he did a really nice job with them. About 45 days I got them back and they were well trained and have never had a run-away with them. I may have been lucky as there are good and bad people. As mentioned earlier go over as often as you can and check on them. Make sure he drives your horse single a lot, not just in a team situation. They will need more confidence by their self. The Amish guy that trained my girls kept them in a tie stall which is good training in itself.

    #77248
    Eli
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    Thanks I have high hopes I do plan on checking him out before I drop her off. He has a contact person I emailed her and hope to get some references? I have a neighbor who told me to build tie stalls for my team he told me to always stall them at night said it gets them used to standing patiently. I planed on cutting some trees and sawing some ash planks and building stalls this winter but we had to move the mill so now its in peices. Eli

    #77253
    The Goat Man
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    Eli, I hope you post updates, and share a bit of the feel you get from this man and his methods. Supposedly my Mule was Amish trained, and I know nothing about their ways, commands or anything. I did a little research on Amish Training, but didn’t find much. Good luck with it.

    #77249
    Eli
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    Goat man the Amish I have talked to we’re always very nice and willing to talk. I have never had a horse trained but have bought harnesses and had wagon wheels fixed. If you have any Amish in the area stop in and ask questions they have always been helpful to me. Eli

    #77254
    The Goat Man
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    Good idea, and I would in a minute, but there aren’t any in Vermont that I know of. I met a bunch of fellas at a Goat Symposium I went to at Cornell a couple of years ago. They were nice people. I asked them about Mules as I was thinking about getting one then. They used horses, raised Sheep and didn’t have much to offer. They asked a lot about Goats…didn’t take me long to tell them what I know. Ha.

    #77250
    Eli
    Participant

    Sounds like you are way ahead of me. I hope to visit Simon this weekend I will pick his brain to see what he knows about mules. Eli

    #77243
    Jonathan Shively
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    Eli, you keep mentioning you are going to stop in before you drop her off. I also meant you need to drop in often while she is there.

    #77251
    Eli
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    Johnathan I will stop every week or two and and when she is done he said I can come for a few hours shoe can show me what she all learned and how to drive her. Sorry I left that out

    #77252
    Eli
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    Went to visit Simon today it is actually his son Ernie who will train scarlet. We saw 6 of his horses not head shy at all and very calm even the Standardbread he pulled his buggy with. He took his big belgian stud out of the stall and his young son crawled up the pen swung over and droped on his back the horse didnt even flinch. None of the animals on his farm were the least bit concerned that we were walking around and definablely were not afraid of anyone. I’m glad I went and feel confident that they will not mistreat our horse. Also told us we can stop in any time and he will teach us anything we want to know. He said as soon as the weather warmed up he will call me. Eli

    #77244
    Jonathan Shively
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    Sounds good. Seriously, if his kids crawl and are around without him being nervous, it isn’t the first time the kids have been in the barn. His horses sound like they are handled and handled well, no reason to think yours won’t be either. He sounds willing and if he doesn’t mind you stopping in whenever you are in the neighborhood, sounds like he has nothing to hide so you have found a great place for your horse.

    #77245
    MC
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    Check with Lynn McVey at pleasent View Percherons. I bought a stallion from him that was Amish broke. He was broke in south eastern minnesota. If you e-mail me at dmcavoy@gondtc.com I could find out his name and contact info from Lynn. His first name was jerry. He did an excellent job; horse drops his head to be halterd and bridled. Drives great even after 6 months out in the pasture breeding mares. Easist horse on the place to catch out in the pasture, so he only had good experiences there.

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