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- February 27, 2013 at 1:06 am #44541Clay WhiteParticipant
What is the difference between a side backer and a western harness?
ThanksFebruary 27, 2013 at 1:38 am #77615Donn HewesKeymasterThe western harness (or western britchen harness as I call it), the most common and uses a pair of quarter straps from the britchen that meet at the pole strap (pole strap comes forward between the front legs). The breast strap hangs from both hames and is attached to the pole strap at the breast strap snap. This hooks directly to your neck yoke.
A side backer is a similar harness with nothing between the legs or under the horse (other than a belly band), instead side straps come straight forward form the britchen on each side of the horse and hook into a short jokey yoke. One jockey yoke for each horse and they snap on to the neck yoke. the side backer will have a lazy strap on each side hanging from the hames to hold the side strap and yoke up. One problem folks may have is mistaking a side backer for a “D” ring harness. Since both harnesses use a small jockey yoke for each horse and side straps they do look some what alike, but are really very different in fit and function.
In a side backer harness the tugs are unbroken and the side straps slide past them with out being directly connected. In a D ring harness both the side straps and the tugs are all attached at the same point and all interact to carry the forces of pulling, stopping, and tongue action / weight.
Steve Bowers book has some good pictures. donn
February 27, 2013 at 10:55 am #77624Clay WhiteParticipantThanks for accurate description Donn. A western team harness is available on the site.
Is the western the same as a harness called a belly backer?
Appreciate the the time people take to answer these rookie questions.
Great site good people!!February 27, 2013 at 11:12 am #77616Donn HewesKeymasterYes, Belly backer, would be the same as the western britchen. These are a very effective simple harness, and have one advantage in being the most common style. Donn
February 27, 2013 at 9:06 pm #77625j.l.holtParticipantIf you go to the Sampson harness site, they show all the different harnesses. Tell them by name and you can see all the straps labeled. Great refference page.
February 27, 2013 at 11:14 pm #77620greyParticipantI have always heard “Western” as a term describing the type of breeching/britchen. Western AKA “box” vs Yankee AKA “hip”.
I would say that a D-ring harness *is* a type of side-backer harness. There’s side-backer harness and there’s belly-backer harness. If there’s a third kind, then I don’t know about it. A Western britchen harness can be a side-backer OR a belly-backer. I’m pretty sure that a Yankee britchen needs to be a belly-backer. I think a D-ring harness needs to have a Western britchen.
February 28, 2013 at 10:55 am #77617Donn HewesKeymasterhello Grey, I have always reffered to that as a western britchen so I suppose you are right. I have seen yankee britchen on D ring harness. I think Carl Russel has a nice set of D ring harness with hip or yankee britchen. Belly backer might be a better reference to the harness type, with quarter straps, pole strap, and breast strap. I personally wouldn’t lump D ring as a type of side backer. These harnesses are so different, and it is already too easy to confuse the two. If any thing the D ring is a type of harness, not to be confused with a side backer. I guess you have to down load the Samson Harness catalog, I didn’t but it would be interesting to see how they reffer to them, my best book is lent out.
February 28, 2013 at 6:08 pm #77621greyParticipantNow I have to go sifting through the photos and see if I can find a Yankee britchen D-ring. I can’t visualize how that could work!
February 28, 2013 at 9:58 pm #77618Donn HewesKeymasterHi Grey, I was wrong about Carl’s harness. he has an unusual britchen but not a “yankee” britchen. You might be right, about finding Yankee britchen with belly backers.
March 1, 2013 at 12:07 am #77614Livewater FarmParticipantDonn the type of britchen used by carl and others here in new england is known as a basket britchen developed to hold back heavy loads horse can almost sit down it when holding back on steep hilly going
BillMarch 1, 2013 at 2:33 am #77622greyParticipantIs a basket britchen a hybrid of hip and box? I’m still looking for a photo…
March 1, 2013 at 10:49 am #77619Donn HewesKeymasterHi Bill, that is a nice britchen, a yankee britchen has no strap below the tail, but just rides above the tail like that part of the basket britchen. the yankee britchen is a very good, powerful backing and stoping britchen as well. If I was buying a new belly backer harness I would sure try to get the yankee brichen. I would love to have that basket britchen on a some new D ring. thanks Bill, Donn
March 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm #77612Carl RussellModeratorBasket Breeching (Britchen)
Hip-drop Breeching (Britchen)…. both on D-ring harnesses.
I agree with Bill about the backing and hold-back capacity of the Basket style……
It is a hard aspect of our culture to work out colloquial and regional terminology. I rarely know the proper name of anything….. but I know how it works if I use it.
Carl
March 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm #77623greyParticipantBasket breeching looks like the best of both worlds. At the intersection of the hip strap and the over-the-croup strap, what’s going on there? Is there a safe or a keeper? Are they simply stitched together? What keeps the over-the-croup strap from sagging down further onto the dock?
March 1, 2013 at 7:43 pm #77613Carl RussellModerator@grey 40255 wrote:
….At the intersection of the hip strap and the over-the-croup strap, what’s going on there?….
The Hip Strap is split so the over-the-croup strap can slide through for adjustment….
Carl
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