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- April 12, 2013 at 7:19 pm #78510PlowboyParticipant
I’ve only been growing garlic about 4 seasons now on a small scale. I grow it in 2 raised beds with about 100 bulbs each. I filled the beds with compost to begin with and it does pretty well but I’m wondering if once it gets going if I could add more manure or if it may be too much for it. I know chicken manure is pretty “hot” but we also have cows and horses. What do you all do with your garlic ground?
April 14, 2013 at 9:44 am #78523dominiquer60ModeratorExtension recommends P and K in the fall and 2 side dressings of 25 to 50 pounds an acre of N in the spring once on emergence and again 3-4 weeks later.
In the past I have applied hot chicken manure right out of a house onto my garlic patch a week or 2 before planting the garlic, I worked it in well and applied lightly, I don’t have a rate. What ever the ex’s manure spreader was to a 1/3 Acre of ground seemed to grow very nice garlic with no burning.
More recently I have applied draft animal manure (equine/bovine) prior to planting and applied one application of Kreher’s composted and granulated poultry manure (5-4-3), a 50# bag to 0.1 acre. If I can get some poultry fresh poultry manure this fall I will not hesitate to go back to that method, but any manure is better than no manure.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.April 14, 2013 at 12:27 pm #78527EliParticipantBe careful if you bed with a lot saw dust or shavings it can take more nitrogen to breakdown the bedding than the manure can provide. Eli
April 15, 2013 at 8:21 am #78535Michel BoulayParticipantIs that straw mulch? What are the little flags for? Curious here. Never did have luck with garlic. Did you ever plant garlic in the fall versus spring and if so which do you prefer? Would like to plant some, right now for us it would be a good time to think about it. Your about a good month ahead of us in planting time.
Mike
April 15, 2013 at 9:24 am #78536dominiquer60ModeratorThe flags just mark the end of the row so that in-laws don’t drive over my crop. I always plant garlic in October, I have planted sprouting bulbs from winter storage in a hoophouse in January and sold them as green garlic in the late spring (use like scallion, mild flavor). Yes that is winter rye straw cut before pollen stage, never use combined rye straw, the leftover seed with germinate over the winter and stunt your garlic crop with a chemical emitted from the young rye roots. Mike if you plant in the spring do it as soon as your soil is workable, spring garlic tends to be smaller and not store as well, try planting a little at both times and see what does best for you. I once planted garlic late (Nov 19th) and the ground froze 5 days later. Hardneck Garlic is amazingly cold hardy and as long as it has a few days to grow some roots in the fall, you are good to go.
Too many shavings can be a problem binding N, but you want some bedding to bind N or else the nutrients leach off easily. The carbon in bedding holds the nutrients and slowly releases it as it breaks down which makes for a great slow release fertilizer.
April 15, 2013 at 10:46 am #78545near horseParticipantErika – did you hand plant those rows? They look a lot better than my efforts for straight and tidy! I ask because I’ve never seen a garlic planter but did see a homemade version out of Canada on the show “Prairie Farm Report”. It was a ride-on planter with 2 wheels (like a transplanter sort of) and they used cups made from plastic bottle caps I think. Pulled with a garden tractor but pretty slow speed.
April 15, 2013 at 11:23 am #78546Andy CarsonModeratorI am always impressed with the beauty of Erika’s fieldwork. Can you cultivate through that straw, or do you get such good weed control prior to mulching that you don’t have to?
April 15, 2013 at 9:21 pm #78550dominiquer60ModeratorHere is where I cheated, though the field was plowed and cultimulched with the horses, I used the tractor to make these rows. I have a Rain Flo water wheel transplanter with 2 super 26 wheels with removable spikes. I used all spikes to get a dibble every 6″, I had them set right next to each other so that I have 2 close rows every 3′ on center. I am hoping that we can make a frame so that we can eventually use this transplanter with a forecart and oxen.
Last November it was easy to do the familiar and use the tractor, plus I need to work on my driving draft animals straight skills. Just a note, the water wheel basically marked the rows, the tractor does not have a creep gear or hydro feature so it goes too fast to ride and plant. Second, it had rained and the ground hardened up and we had to hand dibble each hole deep enough to plant the garlic at the proper depth, over 8,000 hand bored holes = lots of blisters, I think next fall I will have a custom dibbler made, like a pry bar with a conical end.
Andy the straw will hopefully be enough because it would be unbearable to try to cultivate with all that straw. I have never cultivated garlic before, I mulch in November and I will go thru and hand weed the patch a couple times this summer. This is a new field to me, I expect a lot of weed pressure here, I already have clusters of lams quarters 3/4″ tall in some places. Thanks Andy, I like a neat an tidy field, they are so much easier to manage that way.April 16, 2013 at 11:33 am #78551near horseParticipanthttp://www.dutchvalleygrowers.com/equipment_P1.html
Not to hijack a thread but here’s some garlic equipment and while this is tractor equipment, it sure gives one some ideas as to fabricating both a planter and harvester from “stuff” in the equipment boneyard.
That planting wheel looks a lot like a steel lugged wheel off a spud digger! ….
Also – I googled garlic planters and noticed a number of homemade ones out there.
April 16, 2013 at 11:54 am #78553dominiquer60ModeratorURL not found 🙁
April 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm #78558PlowboyParticipantThanks Erika that is what I was looking for. My garlic is up and I wondered if I could add anything to it at this stage. I planted late in early December because we were framing and closing in our new house in Oct and Nov. It looks to be coming on normally but wondered if I could boost it along. Having it in raised beds last year the drought stunted the bulb size more so than having it in ground I think. I would like it to grow big although we use it for ourselves and pass it along to friends and family. There really is no market for it locally. It became so popular around here that everyone started growing it and flooded the market.
April 17, 2013 at 9:52 am #78565near horseParticipantSorry Erika – here’s the manufacturer’s site with similar video. http://www.erme-france.com/eng/planteuses.html
April 17, 2013 at 10:37 am #78568JeroenParticipantWe don’t fertilize before planting Garlic, we plant them in rich soil where the year before we fertilized. We see to it that they are well watered when there is a dry spell during the forming of the bulb.
April 17, 2013 at 7:09 pm #78571wild millersParticipantGarlic is one of our favorite crops, we’ve been saving our seed and building the crop for 7 years now and the past two years have planted between 15,000-20,000 plants. We spend a full season preparing for planting in the fall which includes at least two fully grown out cover crops with manure spread on between them. Buckwheat early in the season which is known to be good for making P more available, followed by peas and oats planted early august. We feel this helps with out competing the weeds and adding lots of organic matter. Then typically plant the garlic right into the pea and oat residue after mowing it. Mulching with straw on top of that to insulate for the winter. It seems to us that this gives a slow and steady release of nutrients to the garlic as all the organic matter breaks down and less of an intensive nitrogen application all at once which would give the weeds the same boost in the spring right when they are looking for it.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.April 17, 2013 at 9:21 pm #78574dominiquer60ModeratorWild Millers,
I am working towards your style of fertilizing. I have been involved with some cover cropping on other peoples farms, but now I find myself in charge and I could cover crop like crazy, IF I had the land base to do it. I will someday, I just have to be patient.
What varieties are folks planting?
I have a large porcelain type that started as Musik/German Hardy 25+ years ago, I am the 3rd person to have this line, this is my 6th year working with this one. It is big, bold and beautiful, 4 to 7 large cloves. The other that I have is Purple Glazer, a pretty little roasting garlic. I planted a pound of it in 2009, with some culling along the way I managed to get 80 pounds in the ground last fall. I am looking forward to really culling the Glazer hard this year for size and color. I just moved it all to CT last fall so I am anticipating some acclimation to the new soil type (clay to loamy stony sand).
I don’t get to talk garlic often, so it is nice to be in good company here.
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