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- December 4, 2013 at 4:20 am #81757hoss-flyParticipant
As I had said in my introduction a long time ago, I had purchased a fjord horse. I started training to ground drive before I deployed to the middle east. I also was teaching my roping horse (grade QH) to pull implements to. Unfortunately the two will never work as a team as my QH is proud cut and beats up my fjord mare when they are together. So I will be working them single. Does anyone know of a light weight forecart? I purchased a used one last summer what I think was a pioneer forecart – it was powder coated, but the thing weighs like 500 pounds…they work up a sweat just moving that around so I am looking for a lighter forecart. I will use the forecart to pull a small wagon I have to move the hay from the piles in the field to my barn. I am also looking for some time for a rake to pull behind a forecart. I will be harvesting from a 5 acre field when I return from the middle east this spring.
Have a great day,
Vince
December 4, 2013 at 9:34 am #81758carl nyParticipantThat QH should be taught that when it is in harness that it is time to work,not fight! My son works a stud right side of a mare,even when she is in heat.His two mares don’t get along very well in the pasture,but put them in harness and there great. JMHO
carl ny
December 4, 2013 at 9:58 am #81759Michael LowParticipantVince,
I use a pioneer forecart with a single fjord, albeit a large one: 14.2 hh 1100lbs. Yes he is a pure Fjord. We live on a hill farm and he is able to rake and ted hay with it. We use it to pull a New Holland 256 side delivery rake: up to 2 acres heavy hay is well within his capabilities. We have raked up to six acres medium light hay also fine (not lathered nor breathing hard). We pull a Grimm ground drive tedder which is more challenging for him. The key is to work only across contours and work the terrain to his advantage. We made hay on 12 acres last year and that was comfortable for him. Next year we will be making hay on 20+ acres and he will need a team mate. Your 5 acres should be doable with a single.
For note I mowed with a borrowed tractor and gathered using a restored hay loader pulled by a team of oxen. I will mow with a team in the future and it would be nice to have more animals to use with the hay loader, if not in combined hitches then at least one team one load, next team next load because of our hills.
I don’t know of a lighter fore-cart than the pioneer except some home made ones I have seen.
Michael Low
December 4, 2013 at 1:56 pm #81761JeroenParticipantDo you have the cart in proper size? The Pioneer draft horse cart is rather heavy for a single draft. I have one with drum brakes and on the flat its ok, but when hilly I am rather limited on charge of the wagon I pull. Could take off the brake system to gain weight, but need this for holding back the charge on steep hills.
I also have a little swiss army cart converted to a forecart, but this one is not sturdy enough to pull heavy loads.December 4, 2013 at 3:08 pm #81762Jim OstergardParticipantI find my fjord is capable of pulling the Pioneer fore cart just fine. I have adapts the shafts to the Scandinavian harness and there is little shaft weight as the cart is so well balanced.
December 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm #81763Carl RussellModeratorThis is a bigger horse, but just to illustrate how easily a single horse can handle a forecart. If the jack saddle is adjusted correctly even a small horse should be able to handle shaft weight with little problem….. After all, you expect them to easily carry a 150-200 pound person…. No cart will put that much weight on the jack saddle.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.December 4, 2013 at 7:08 pm #81765bsmit24ParticipantThat is a neat little cart, looks like it would be very useful around the home and garden.
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December 4, 2013 at 7:28 pm #81767JelmerParticipantAn option might be the White Horse forecarts 620 or the 621
The 620:
317 Lbs.
Comes with a “axle shift” to balance the load of the forecart and have less pressure on the shafs or pole.
Price: $ 750,-The 621:
226 Lbs.
Comes with a lever for steering
Price: $ 520,-Prices are from the price book of 2012.
Both forecarts have options like fenders and more.Added to this post is a quickly made pdf with pictures of both forecarts
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You must be logged in to view attached files.December 5, 2013 at 4:51 am #81775hoss-flyParticipantI really appreciate all those that responded. Being located in central Texas, their is no old timers I can pick their brains about how it’s done. About two hours away, in Blanco, their is a carriage museum run by a nice fellow that also has a carriage business. He helped with getting the forecart and harness for my fjord, however I am probably the only dude around in 100 miles that is trying to replace his tractor with horses.
I have been reading a lot but we all know that is know substitue for actual experience. I hope to get some carriage driving experience when I return from oveseas as I start back to training my fjord (she is about 14.5 and 1400 pounds) and my roping horse.
One reason I am stuck on working the single horse is I believe in starting slowly, plus, I reckon training them (and myself) to work single will get them in the fields sooner. My real motivation though for working them single is that it will get my kids involved. That is my main motivation for this enterprise. I’m not trying to make money, just work with my kids and teach them hard work and you can get the job done without big expensive tractors. My kids will work with my quarterhorse because despite his unsocialable behavior, my kids learned to ride on him and he is fairly bombproof. The first time I put him in harness we were able to drag my round pen and arena like he’d been doing it all his life.
Back to the origin on those post…..I’m thinking that I will get a shop to custom make a forecrat for me, though the white horse looks lighter than the forecart I currently have, my location in central Texas makes it difficult to find the right equipment. As far as the question that was asked about whether I have the right size forecart…I honestly don’t know. The man that found it for me (carriage business owner) works with Belgians so we both guessed if it was right size. I’m probably being too sensitive about the weight issue, I reckon I should make that determination once I get my fjord hitched up to it and see how it goes. My hay field is fairly flat.
I apologize for the rambling, ya’ll have a great day,
Vince.
December 5, 2013 at 5:41 am #81776Carl RussellModeratorRamble on dude 😛
December 6, 2013 at 7:34 am #81794hoss-flyParticipantAnother question, what are the options for a rake that can pulled by a single horse? I have used wheel rakes and gyro rakes on tractors. I read above where Mr. Low said he pulls a side delivery rake and tedder with his fjord. Again, because of the 100 degree heat in Texas during the summer I’m looking for the lightest tool that we can get the job done. I thought of using something that you might use behind an ATV but I don’t know if those can handle long coastal bermuda which is the only variety I plan to harvest for the time being.
December 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm #81795Michael LowParticipantI wonder if people used to make hay at night when using animal power in Texas, to avoid the heat? I have heard of that in other areas of the south. It makes sense if the nights are cooler and there is not a heavy dew in your climate. I don’t know what if anything would change about the basics; cut, ted, rake, gather, other than that you would be wearing a headlamp.
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