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Standing still is one part of reading an animal.

I try to bring possibilities to peoples attention so they can think what could happen.

I’m going to be turning 61 Saturday ( The Good Lord Willing That I live That Long ) I have seen and heard of many stories of freak things, and accidents that happen with horses which can never be fully trusted, because of there nature.

If you can not accept that then that is your opinion, which you are entailed to.

My input can be helpful to those who are not aware of what can and does happen even to the best of the best as some would say.

And as for some of you guy’s and your vulgar remarks, they are really not helpful to any one, and your only hurting yourself by making them.

I have also had remarks and statement form others on this forum who
receive, benefit, and agree with many of the things I have shared.
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I don’t care who you are, or how long you have had your animals, I can make them stampede at any given time.

Any kind of Live stock will move on fear no matter how much you train them ! ! ! !
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@Plowboy 13269 wrote:

There’s my point Bumpus. Although you can’t guarantee 100% but if you spend enough time with your animals and pay attention to them you will pretty much know what you can and can’t do on a given day. Obviously you’ve never spent enough time trying to read your animals. Possibly you were/are just an owner. If you actually try to spend enough time and be aware of your animals moods or quirks it wouldn’t be a problem. None of our horses are what I call flighty at all. To each his own I guess.

You say : “Obviously you’ve never spent enough time trying to read your animals.”

You don’t know what I know or do, and one day you will know what I am talking about by experience you will have with your own live stock, and you will remember what I said, sad to say .
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A person never knows what will happen from one minute
to the next with livestock.

A horse is a flighty animal by nature, and easy to spook.

A bee stings the horse, or a horse fly takes a bite of hide, and off they go.
A snake or frog goes between it’s legs.
A stray dog slips up, barks and tries to bite the horse.
A young child runs up and knows nothing about a horse and scares the horse.
A small plastic bag flies in the horses face from nowhere in the breeze.

ETC. ETC. ETC. 😮
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One thing about it, it is easy to proclaime the future while living in the present.

But the future is an unknown factor of speculated guesses which only those who guess can speculate at.

Only God knows for sure !
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This artical represents what I have been trying to say all the time.

One person using a term to explain someting and another person using the same termanology saying something all together different, and this can be confusing.

If the two people are saying something different about the same thing then one of them must be wrong, or maybe both of them could be wrong in there application at the same time.

Until they explain what the really mean by there termanology so people can understand there intent, they could be confusing people on the out come of there property and timber.
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In my opinion that would make a good investment ! ! !
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@CharlyBonifaz 12617 wrote:

have been on a homepage lately, that shows various pictures, including those of an oxen being tied down with a long rope; have been searching for these pictures (and the homepage) desperately and cannot retrieve it.
So my question:
anyone on this board owns such a homepage or knows were I can find it again? :confused:

Found this picture on this site posted by Vicki .

http://www.draftanimalpower.com/photoplog/index.php?n=216
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Over the years I have talked to some of the farmers who have farmed the old and new ways.
Most of them say that you would need about 100 acres of good land to be self sufficient and live off of your own farm, raising everything you need, and not have to work outside of the farm for someone else.

Even back during the Free Homestead give away land programs the government felt a family need 160 acres to be able to make a go at it.
Most of them had enough children to work, and keep up the farm and lifestyle.

Some of those farms worked out, and some didn’t.

They all had a dream but even some dreams turn out to be nightmares.

It’s still good to dream though.
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@Robert MoonShadow 12650 wrote:

When they took to sawing off the horns blunt, donned kevlar vests & helmets, then bred the bulls’ aggressiveness down…just got too placid – took the heart & thrill out of it. Like exhibition karate, fuel/HP governers on race cars & putting race cars on oval tracks = kinda boring, to me.
Just my own opinion, of course.

I agree … nothing like the good old days with bulls
that weighed a ton or more.

Next they will be riding controlled mechanical bulls,
with high, medium, low, slow and reverse.
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The real question is … How long will the horse last if the pad is bad even if you have to replace it every year.

The horse comes first or you don’t go.

What if a mouse chews a hole in the pad after 3 months use and it is not good ?

Pads are cheap. Horses are not.
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Hi there TBigLug :

Glad to see you and grandpa are having fun behind the plow and working the ground with your team.

One thing you might want to take into consideration for safety’s sake is when you put the check lines
compleatly around your waist there is no quick way to get loose if something breaks loose like the
( Harness parts, evener, or single trees etc. )

If for some reason a horse or mule is spooked or stung by a bee and runs you can not get out quick
with the full force of the lines pulling you over the plow. 😮

If you look at post # 10 you can see how Carl Russell has one arm free from the binding of the lines
from being compleatly around his body, and if he has to he can slip them off his single arm and head quickly,
but he can still control the horses if need be while plowing.

Just something to think about.

Have fun ! ! ! 😀
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Boy Oh Boy:

This thread which started out being something really simple at the first couple of posts,
has drifted into a whatever others want to discuss … type of a subject.

When people don’t understand a topic, or remark made in the beginning statements,
they usually attack what they do not agree with,
( including the poster ) even if it does not make sense to them.

Now by missing the point of this thread it has gone into what
others have turned into, which is all together different.

Which proves my point.

Going around and around in circles of :confused:
and where it will stop … only God knows for sure.

I have had my coffee today,
and my signature at the bottom tells the rest of my story. 🙂

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Myself I do not know what the contract really means
and that is why I asked Jason.
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@near horse 12353 wrote:

Here’s one shot at defining sustainability – apply it toward farming, forestry or whatever –

For any single farm to truly be sustainable, it must produce adequate yields of high quality and be resource conserving, environmentally sound, economically profitable, and socially just. In a sense, it’s a goal and a utopian concept.

So, if an organic or conventional farm is not economically profitable, it’s not sustainable. If it’s either polluting the groundwater or eroding the soil, it’s not sustainable …. If you high grade timber, there’s nothing but low quality left to reproduce = short term profit but long term unsustainable.

Bumpus, I have to add that yourquestions/comments are the most unclear and confusing things I’ve read on here.

What does this mean:

near horse:

You would have to go back and read the post # 12 in this thread, hopefully that would help.

I wanted to know what was involved and how binding the contract is that ( Biological Woodsman ) talked about in his post, and uses between himself and the timber owners he would harvest for.
What would it mean for them, and me, and there there children who might inherit the land and timber in the future if we should die.

The questions are there I asked which you can read, and should be considered before anyone would sign a contract to timber there land in long term, or short term ownership.

To many people sign contracts which they do not understand, and sometimes don’t even read, and then one day they realise they are bound to the agreement, and can not change the outcome, and just have to live with the consequences forever.

I have seen hundreds of people who have made this mistake, and now suffer the results.

I am NOT saying ( Biological Woodsman’s ) contract is wrong.
I Just simply wanted to understand what it means more clearly
for me, and my investors, and others.
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