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- December 6, 2010 at 1:32 pm in reply to: In praise of genetically engineered foods (In theory) #63747
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ParticipantWe should take a lesson from history with what big corperations can achieve… I read a book once that detailed the history of… I think JD or IH … I cant quite remember now but anyway in the late 20s the big tractor boys were struggling to sell tractors so the story goes they employed horse dealers to go round and buy up draft horses and create an artificial shortage so the farmers had little choice but switch to tractors… We need to be on guard against being told what is good for us by people driven by shareholders…
JohnDecember 6, 2010 at 9:08 am in reply to: In praise of genetically engineered foods (In theory) #63746ParticipantI wonder who was paying the scientists in the 80s ? Mitch is right in saying its about power and money im afraid. With traditional plant breeding the results get analised on a slow time scale. This gm seems to speed up that proccess. Can they be 100% sure that the gm crop that they want the world to use isnt going to succum to a disease that they cant control and lead to major crop failure ?. At least with a huge choice of seeds we can minimize the risk..
JohnDecember 5, 2010 at 4:43 pm in reply to: In praise of genetically engineered foods (In theory) #63745ParticipantWell said Kevin… what we also need to remember regards a lot of “3rd world” countries and food production is that historicaly white men stole their land and did mono culture {instead of agriculture} like all tobbaco or tea for example and stripped the goodness out the soil then moved on !!..
JohnDecember 4, 2010 at 8:42 am in reply to: In praise of genetically engineered foods (In theory) #63744ParticipantI dont think we can compare a thousand and more years of human endevour with what goes on at Monsanto and the others. I cant trust a word of a company that sells Aspartame as a replacement for sugar knowing full well its a cause of cancer ? whats wrong with sugar anyway ? A friend of mine up in Brandon Manitoba tells me monsanto hire small aircraft to fly over farmland dropping small bags of roundup on crops, then a week or so later fly over again and check for patches of dead crop !!.. no dead areas and a car goes to the farm and asks why the farmer hasnt paid the royalties for the round up ready crop that year… They want to outlaw farm saved seed and have the whole lot to themselves in the name of “saving the world”..
JohnDecember 3, 2010 at 9:05 pm in reply to: In praise of genetically engineered foods (In theory) #63743ParticipantI agree.. in theory… but what needs to be remembered is that the plant breeders of old that developed the plants we have today didnt patent their work.. nor did they resort to dirty tricks like our old friend Monsanto. We were told that gm foods would feed the world .. not happened.. why develope a terminator gene if they want to save the world ??? these guys are only interested i one thing… £$£$£$. Too much tampering with nature for my liking with too much at stake.. the idea is great but as soon as big business and shareholders get involved you can kiss the ethics goodbye. I admire the technology but once the genie is out you cant bring it to heel..
JohnParticipantMore great points Erika.. its really a disgrace that these cows end up this way so early in life tho…
JohnParticipantReally neat and adaptable vehicle Rod….
JohnParticipantA few years ago I read a book about the stage coach days in Britain. Story goes that one driver had a particular team of 4 {bearing in mind they changed the whole team regularly} and when they were on the road the entire outfit had 2 eyes between them !!!.. the driver had one and the off lead had his offside eye {we drive on the right side of the road remember}:D.. the rest were blind:eek:.. Apparantly these guys became like the film stars of today and the boys of each regon had their favourite driver and used to cheer them on which led to some colorfull driving…
JohnParticipantGood points there DL … I hadnt thought of that:o.. I was thinking more of the production of milk.. when these big guys dispose of cows because they are “burned out” do they mean that they dont meet their production targets? or are the cows totally wrecked ?..
JohnParticipantIn the UK a unicorn hitch was used a lot by the brewery companies. The lead horse could be unhitched easily to maneuver big barrels of beer. I agree with Kevin. It takes a really good horse up front to keep the unicorn hitch from going wrong…having said that a lot will depend on the kind of work you plan to do.. heavy hot work will heat the middle horse up quicker than if they are strung out….
JohnParticipantI believe that the modern dairy with Holstiens push the cows so hard that they are burned out after two and a half lactations:eek:… If a cow was taken from this environment would she go on to be a suitable house cow ?? a bit like the battery hen put into a free range system.. or is there more to it than that ?…
JohnParticipantNeat idea Donn.. for years now we have never had much frost so never had much of a problem. However…. the last 3 years have seen an increase in the severity of frost and we now have a problem.. I wonder if old chest freezers would work also ?? I had thought of using one to store potatoes in …
JohnParticipantI tried about 6 times.. paced the carpet.. tried to read SFJ.. made some tea.. paced the carpet.. nearly started smoking again:o.. all joking aside this site rocks !!! I was pretty much alone over here… or so I thought. Ixy, Clayfoot and Simon that I know of so far from Britain and all the friends I have found on your side of the puddle. This site will grow and change as time goes on and I am proud to be a tiny part of this….
JohnParticipantAustralia would never have been opened up without oxen… The drovers were called “bullockies”…
JohnParticipantYea an the brits are movin in from here too:p……
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