[Neil Dimmock]

@Iron Rose 2636 wrote:

Neil

Thanks for posting the video of the trimming chute. Sure wish I would of had one years ago (knees and back would be in better shape). Do you put shoes on in the chute also? Heard of a guy in Montana or Wyoming useing a tip chute to shoe pack strings , but have never seen one used.

I have used many different types of shoeing stocks over the years some good some not. One problem is useing stocks is slow work and a lot of horses fight being tied down. Never had a horse expire in one ,but some do get banged up.

Thanks again for sharing if I was a little younger I would sure look into getting one.

Dan

Yes you can put shoes on in the chute but it takes a little practise to shoe on the slant

[Neil Dimmock]

@Biological Woodsman 2633 wrote:

Wow Neil,

That is industrial hoof care for equine for sure. I have seen this used for cattle for years but never seen anyone put a horse in one.

I have also seen lots of folks use shoeing stocks for horses.

I have also heard of horses in shoeing stocks sort of freak out and give up. I have read that being prey animals creates some unusual behavior in conditions of complete subduing. Given that a prey animal instinctual evolutionary process includes the reality of being caught by a predator (s) they have developed an ability to voluntarily expire = die. When this completely restrained prey animals gives up it is a way to avoid the horror of actually being eaten alive….by a predator.

I have heard of this happening in shoeing stocks, where a horse would just collapse and stop breathing and die. No beating or physical stimulus brings them out of that condition. The only immediate remedy is electrical shock, such as a shot prod or a stun gun. That form of serious jolt will bring them back to fight some more and would save their lives in case their instincts tell them to give up and die.

Has anyone else heard of this voluntarily dieing event happening?

This method certainly looks allot easier that having 50 that are broke to stand quiet and have their feet trimmed traditionally. There are many folks using the high speed grinder with a body putty wheel on it for trimming. The horses have to be well trained for that while standing.

Thanks for sharing man. Hope your new house is coming along, since winter is coming and the folks in Vermont are getting a taste of it this morning according the national weather report…

No never even had one pass out, its just an old wife’s tail, this fellow does about 4000 head a year for the last 12 years and never lost one or had one suffer an ill effect or even freak out. I watched them do over 200 head at a PMU farm before I put my top horses in it. Its over so fast they don’t even have time to struggle much.

[Neil Dimmock]

This video shows us using both, the very best lever and a pulley!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmwE70FC58

[Neil Dimmock]

There is 46 in this one, the manufacture of the cultivator claimed it takes a 150HB tractor to pull it at 5″ of depth, We started to hook at 11am and unhooked at 3pm, in that time we did most of 30acres. I made the hitch out of a talklinton style which I have found to be the better one hands down
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

Maybe some sould come out of the bush and see what work is being done

there not tied to a tree but there working alright and all are broke well enuff to stand for a 1/2 hour while we hook them up. almost any one can handle a team but it takes a lot more understanding to drive this many. if you think your that good come and sit in the crows nest with me and we will test your theories, Any time

Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

Farm worked horses hands down most bush horses just cant cut it out in the open, some do but not many, there whole life is pull hard then stop then run back and pull hard, thats it, farm horses pull hard then walk a straight line for two days then pull light long loads for hour and hour on end ,they get swooped by birds barked at by dogs snuck up on by cars. I can say with out doubt at what I talk because I have tryed to use old bush horses and found them second best, tryed some in my big hitches and they would pull like crazy for two minutes then stop get drug by the head then pull like crazy again the only thing worse in an old burnt out pulling team, some use there bush horses for more than one thing but they are the minority by far, most get a good logging team thats making them money you wont find them fooling with their bread and butter. and as for hitch horses most are better built to stand work than most cross bread , but if you have never used them well how would you know! personally I dont like kneeling on a wet barn floor to do up quarter straps!! but if you cant put the harness on then maybe you shoudnt drive them!!!
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

My horses second job is going to town, pulling an empty wagon is a treat! they work and work harder then many that clam to work horses every day and THEY DO KNOW HOW TO STAND!!! if you dont think so take a minute and check out you tube. BUT telling every one its ok to leave the lines down is just plane (!@#%$%%)!!!! I have seen the best bush horses that the owners said would stand even with a fire under them, spook and a kid with a balloon and run down a Def teamster the the eveners and it take off half his head, GO ahead and fool your self in thinking they will stand and some one that doesn’t deserve it will pay the price!!!
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

No, most definatly not, you tie them by the halter when they are hooked or not, they can back all most as big a load as they can pull so anything you tie to can be pulled over while they back or pull ahead, if there halter broke they are very safe tied by the halter and if they are not then it dont matter what you tie to it wont be safe.

[Neil Dimmock]

post some pics of them that will help

[Neil Dimmock]

They will step over the ropes a few times but if it takes some hair off before you get to it they will watch closer. If you use buckbacks on the wheelers in a field hitch you must have a load on all the time (dont lift the plow out just turn) but if you leave you lines on and use them to turn and then hang them up on the straight it will work well, after a few days you and your horses will turn tighter than 4 abreast can and no one is stepped on, you might have somone on hand till you get the hang of it if your new to 4 up
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

we just start to ride when there just calfs say 5 mounths old, while there still easy to handle. we take our time and not over load them or stay on to long, in a short while they take to it like a duck to water!
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

thanks I am living in a camper for the next month until they get a house for us. sent a video of whats left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77KZ8yIsDas

[Neil Dimmock]

Try , http://macknair.com/ or http://www.balsters.net/paymentinfo.html they just might have what you need
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

Used them and Love them, way better than some old engine banging and smoking away, some just can’t believe that ground drive work so well but watch mowers go around and around or spreaders or binders or etc, sure it take more horses but isn’t that what we do drive horses, 4 will bale and pull a haybine but six do it better and way more fun to drive!! AND NO MOTORS!!
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

Just becareful of what you wish for!! You just might get it!!! All the best I hope it works for you soon
Neil

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