driving demo

[Neil Dimmock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPoxyp8KnI
Neil

[J-L]

As usual, great video Neil. That’s some fancy driving and I sure do like your horses. Like I said before, I sure wish you was closer to me or vica versa. The way things are headed here with development and land prices (not to mention the election, economy, etc…) I may sell out one day and find a place up there where it’s cold enough to keep all the people away. I thought 7000′ up in Wyoming would do it, but people love to summer here.
I’d love to come up and do some farming with you and run some of that cool equipment you’ve got running.
I really thought I was doing something when I drove 3 abreast, makes me humble when I see you driving 8 up or 46 or whatever!

[Neil Dimmock]

Doors open any time!!!

[Michael Colby]

I hope you don’t teach that, my friend. My grandfather — of the Emerson Percheron clan in Eagle Grove, Iowa — would have put an end to that before it had a chance to start.

[Neil Dimmock]

Some can and some cant, that kind of attitude kept people huddled in caves for to long. I guess you have never left home or have seen the Texas thunder hitch!! OF COUSRE WE TEACH HOW TO DRIVE!! maybe you need a class
Neil

[Andrew Larson]

Hello Mr. Dimmock, I would like to compliment you on your teamster skills which seem to be very great. You are very valuable to the draft horse world as you are one of the few who retain this great knowledge.

I think that the big hitch is a must if you plan on being a very productive farmer. I mean that if you want to justify using horses versus a tractor, you need to pull a bigger implement. I don’t know how the fuel prices are in Canada, but in the U.S. they have been sky high until recently. That is one factor that really makes horse power a viable option. Of course you need to have the self desire to use horses also, because it does require a bit more work than driving a tractor. lol

As for the response on cantering horses in harness, I don’t see what the problem is as long as either the teamster or the team are experienced. I think that if you were out some where and saw a bad thunderstorm fast approaching, that it would be nice to be able to get back to the barn very fast. But it would probably be nice to have cantered the horses before hand so that the whole new situation wasn’t to much for them. I was wondering what reasons Mr. Colby has for not cantering horses in harness.

I hope that no one minds my thoughts and I look forward to learning all that I can from everyone.

Thankyou, Andrew Larson

[Carl Russell]

Neil Dimmock;3201 wrote:

Some can and some cant, that kind of attitude kept people huddled in caves for to long. I guess you have never left home or have seen the Texas thunder hitch!! OF COUSRE WE TEACH HOW TO DRIVE!! maybe you need a class
Neil

Neil, You have offered a lot of substance to this website in the form of photos, but rarely in your responses to questions or challenges do you offer anything more than defensive personal condemnation of character.

It is clear to me that although you do get a lot of good work done with your horses, there is a large degree of self advancement involved with your presentation.

I think that Michael’s comment are legitimate, and if you have some good response that justifies your objective, then lets hear it.

My own personal experience has been under the tutelage of conservative teamsters whose main objective is practical application of animal power, so I have very little interest in shows, nor demonstrations of “skill” that push the envelope to extreme.

Perhaps there is some value in those types of displays, but it escapes me. I’ld love to hear why you believe otherwise.

Carl

[Neil Dimmock]

Well now I wonder, Is that all you get out of what I do? Carl !
I guess you will never advance past were your at now!
I could debate or even defend what I do and the skill it takes to do what I do but some one like you will always find fault! Until you can sit in my seat and pull line on 8 10 or 12 then is useless. Sorry I offend you with the truth and pointed out holes in your harness , but life is full of B,s ! I have run in to your type my whole life and when I started to farm with big hitches your type came out in spades, You cant do that is to dangerous or to far above your skill but I still did it! your inability to see value in what I do is your shortcoming not mine, If your so sure that Your right get your self up here and set down beside me as I fan 20 or so then we will talk about how wonderful conservative is!! Personal condemnation of character is something I have endured a lot on this site and some buy you, I have answered all Questions with great care but when there questions, when there not then so be it, kind of like ( They would have put a stop to than) just shows the kind of character that would make that statement, and there is no point in worrying about them,
What some call ( pushing the envelope) we call kindergarten, we understand the complexity’s and talent it takes to do what I do(there is only so much one can get out of skidding a log with one or two) and any one that works with me gets it real quick, were some one like you see’s a showboat others with a open mind see a skill they would like to obtain!!
I would have quit posting on this site a long time ago if it were not for the emails I get for info that they tryed to get on here and were shot down and the ones that really understand horsemanship and injoy what I do!

Injoy Carl
Neil

[Neil Dimmock]

@Andrew Larson 3203 wrote:

Hello Mr. Dimmock, I would like to compliment you on your teamster skills which seem to be very great. You are very valuable to the draft horse world as you are one of the few who retain this great knowledge.

I think that the big hitch is a must if you plan on being a very productive farmer. I mean that if you want to justify using horses versus a tractor, you need to pull a bigger implement. I don’t know how the fuel prices are in Canada, but in the U.S. they have been sky high until recently. That is one factor that really makes horse power a viable option. Of course you need to have the self desire to use horses also, because it does require a bit more work than driving a tractor. lol

As for the response on cantering horses in harness, I don’t see what the problem is as long as either the teamster or the team are experienced. I think that if you were out some where and saw a bad thunderstorm fast approaching, that it would be nice to be able to get back to the barn very fast. But it would probably be nice to have cantered the horses before hand so that the whole new situation wasn’t to much for them. I was wondering what reasons Mr. Colby has for not cantering horses in harness.

I hope that no one minds my thoughts and I look forward to learning all that I can from everyone.

Thankyou, Andrew Larson

Andrew there are not many insentience’s where you would justify running a horse in harness and for most the very thought of doing so makes he sweat run down there back, but they have had runaways and such which seems to justify there belief, but if you have been trained to train horses right and know they will not bolt the first minute the speed gets over a slow jog then doing so is not so scary, your response time is a lot faster and you need to be aware of your surroundings a lot more(read the road ahead)!
out west were town was a whole day or more away most old timers made time when they could like coming home empty they would walk a 1/2 mile then Canter a 1/2 mile them walk the trot then walk then canter, but you seem to run into more resistance from heavier populated areas were town was a 10 minute drive away,
there are no practical reasons to run a saddle horse ether or horse pulls or putting them in the ring or a driving competition or a race but its done,
So you will have to go on your skill level and that of your horse to decide whats best for you
Neil

[Marchand]

@Neil Dimmock 3205 wrote:

Well now I wonder, Is that all you get out of what I do? Carl !
I guess you will never advance past were your at now!
I could debate or even defend what I do and the skill it takes to do what I do but some one like you will always find fault! Until you can sit in my seat and pull line on 8 10 or 12 then is useless. Sorry I offend you with the truth and pointed out holes in your harness , but life is full of B,s ! I have run in to your type my whole life and when I started to farm with big hitches your type came out in spades, You cant do that is to dangerous or to far above your skill but I still did it! your inability to see value in what I do is your shortcoming not mine, If your so sure that Your right get your self up here and set down beside me as I fan 20 or so then we will talk about how wonderful conservative is!! Personal condemnation of character is something I have endured a lot on this site and some buy you, I have answered all Questions with great care but when there questions, when there not then so be it, kind of like ( They would have put a stop to than) just shows the kind of character that would make that statement, and there is no point in worrying about them,
What some call ( pushing the envelope) we call kindergarten, we understand the complexity’s and talent it takes to do what I do(there is only so much one can get out of skidding a log with one or two) and any one that works with me gets it real quick, were some one like you see’s a showboat others with a open mind see a skill they would like to obtain!!
I would have quit posting on this site a long time ago if it were not for the emails I get for info that they tryed to get on here and were shot down and the ones that really understand horsemanship and injoy what I do!

Injoy Carl
Neil

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Amen…..& just when I thought that Stool Softener was gonna’ work on Carl?

[jen judkins]

Hey guys, I think there is plenty of room on this board for everyone’s opinion. I don’t think its important that we all agree…..I, for one, benefit greatly from the hottest debates here and read every word carefully to assess its application in my own situation. I cringe, however (and I am sure I am not alone) when the replies get personal. Those of us here on DAP who know Carl Russell, know he needs no defending for his deep commitment to draft animal power and his passion for the art of working a draft animal as a partner. Neil, your skill as a teamster, should in my opinion, make you immune to insult, as there is nothing to defend in what you do either. I love your showmanship and you have provided many points of valuable insight for me and most likely many others in your posts. I find it hard to believe that you could feel rattled enough by someone’s legitimate comment about cantering in harness, to feel the need to personally insult them. I actually have questions about the subject myself (I will create a new thread later) and would love to have any and all opinions I can find. I have no interest in personal insults, and negativity. Its important on these forums to go out of our way to show respect and tolerance in our replies…its hard enough to decipher what folk really mean in an email format. So lets share the knowledge and not get stuck in the mud here. Thanks. jennifer.

[Carl Russell]

Neil,
You may be a high-headed pony, and it’s not that I don’t appreciate spirit, in fact I’ve given you plenty of line, but this is my hitch, and there are some pretty simple rules to participate. From the thousands posts by others, it is clear that most people accept the number one rule to respect each other by posting thoughtfully.

The fact is that I have never attacked nor insulted YOU personally, only challenged your assumptions, and rude responses. Let’s face it not every body is going to be a subscribing member of the Neil Dimmock Fan Club, but it doesn’t mean that our interests, thought processes, or experiences are less valuable than yours.

The fact that I don’t value SOME of things that you do, IS my own view, it has nothing to do with YOU, and I never made mention of YOUR choice, only the fact that I see no value in the display. I’m not really sure why you can only see yourself in the picture, but there is a lot more to comment on than just how good you know you are at what you choose to do. I don’t take your comments personally, why should you, mine?

If it’s in the water, you ought to bottle and sell it. I have never known of anyone who was as accomplished as you. Every decision, or choice you make is the right one. Nothing ever goes wrong at your farm, and you have so much experience that you are the best at everything that you do. Truly beyond human capability. Really, bottle that water.

Otherwise, get down off that high ride of yours and contribute at a human level. You obviously feel safe enough to rant, rave, and insult. Now let down your guard and be a little more honest. I am no different that any body else, some days I’m more or less defensive, or aggressive, depending on what I’ve eaten (or whether the stool softener works), but this community must be based on the acceptance of differing views. Although I am willing to accept that your inclination is to be defensive and dismissive, that is clearly not the community experience that the rest of us are working to create.

Some might argue that by confronting you, it is I who is creating the negative environment, because I should be able to see that you are only going to escalate the situation. However, I see my job as overseer of this site as needing to be the one who says what nobody else wants to say.

It is your choice whether you decide to modify your behavior, back up your skill with content, and be willing to advance the discussion in a way that includes other views. If you continue the need to dismiss dissenting views as inadequate and insignificant, then you will have to take full responsibility for the image that you create of yourself.

Feel the bit yet?

Carl

[J-L]

I don’t understand all the hub-bub. Nothing in the video looked out of control to me. More speed don’t necessarily equate to less control if they’re trained for it.
I think you need to see these same horses hooked to that ‘skook’ or to his binders. They work just fine on those extremely loud, noisy machines. I’ve also watched these horses skidding logs or plowing. From what I’ve seen they’re darn good farm horses that have a good handle. A little speed isn’t bothering them it seems.
I hope this argument don’t run people off. From my perspective, a little diversity wouldn’t hurt.

[Plowboy]

Carl, I was thinking of a similar response but you hit the nail on the head. Too bad that someone with so much experience can’t use it in a more positive manner and help grow the industry instead of boasting about his accomplishments and running down those with a different view. There is so much to learn and everyone can learn a thing or two no matter how long they’ve been at it.

[Neil Dimmock]

@jenjudkins 3210 wrote:

Hey guys, I think there is plenty of room on this board for everyone’s opinion. I don’t think its important that we all agree…..I, for one, benefit greatly from the hottest debates here and read every word carefully to assess its application in my own situation. I cringe, however (and I am sure I am not alone) when the replies get personal. Those of us here on DAP who know Carl Russell, know he needs no defending for his deep commitment to draft animal power and his passion for the art of working a draft animal as a partner. Neil, your skill as a teamster, should in my opinion, make you immune to insult, as there is nothing to defend in what you do either. I love your showmanship and you have provided many points of valuable insight for me and most likely many others in your posts. I find it hard to believe that you could feel rattled enough by someone’s legitimate comment about cantering in harness, to feel the need to personally insult them. I actually have questions about the subject myself (I will create a new thread later) and would love to have any and all opinions I can find. I have no interest in personal insults, and negativity. Its important on these forums to go out of our way to show respect and tolerance in our replies…its hard enough to decipher what folk really mean in an email format. So lets share the knowledge and not get stuck in the mud here. Thanks. jennifer.

He didnt ask any questions just made coments

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