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- February 22, 2013 at 2:22 am #44531threehhorseParticipant
I burn alot of firewwod and needed something to pull it in with. We went to the paul Bunyan Show in 2011 and saw three point attachments for tractors that had winches on them for pulling in logs. I figured if they could do that with a tractor I could do it with a horse
I built a three wheeled cart with hydraulics and a 12 volt winch. I drive the cart into the woods turn the horse and cart facing away from the log. With the hydralics I raise the back wheels off the ground, which lowers a back facing blade into the ground, this holds the cart in place while the winch pulls the log in.
I plan on taking this cart to Horse Progress Days. I would appreaciate any comments on the cart.
February 22, 2013 at 2:45 am #77563Iron RoseParticipantLooks like a good outfit. I have a three wheel cart that has a hyd 3 point hitch. Been thinking on putting a which on it. The back blade is a good idea.
Dan Rasmussen
SE MinnFebruary 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm #77567carl nyParticipantJust a thought,a tall and narrower tire will pull easier,especially in mud or soft going. Make it a lot easier on your single horse.If they float like you intend,it will be ok.If they cut in, it will be a bugger to pull even for a team. Other than that, I like it.. JMHO
February 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm #77566threehhorseParticipantI keep the tire pressure pretty high so on hard ground and not pulling anything they only leave a 4″ track. So far hauling in wood I have only been on fairly solid ground in fairly dry coditions. The front tire lightens up a little with a good load on, which is good and bad, but it hasn’t dug in yet. Some time in the future I am going to get some video and put it on you tube. I may sell this one and build another that is longer and lower with a lower center of gravity. I think I will put a walking beam rear suspension on it. I also have a quick attach three point hitch attachment for this cart. I am going to use a three point corn planter this spring with the cart
February 27, 2013 at 11:28 am #77562Donn HewesKeymasterHi all, That is a nice looking machine, but it seems like a lot of extra effort if built just for logging. My thought goes to what Carl said about the front tire. Taller will pull easier, but I don’t think narrower will. narrower will pull easier on a bicycle on pavement. but the softer the ground and heavier the load, the wider a tire must be to stay at the surface, certainly this is where it will pull easiest. I have a three wheeled cart with about 4″ front tire. I wish it had a car tire on there.
February 27, 2013 at 1:28 pm #77564Iron RoseParticipantThe first three wheel cart I built had a small wheel on the front , I thought it was okay untill I built the second one with a 16 in wheel. Not only does it pull easier, but it rides smoother.
Dan
SE MinnFebruary 27, 2013 at 3:00 pm #77565Andy CarsonModeratorWheels are a fascinating subject, especially for something that seems so simple. I have done some reading about them for different applications and have some experience making different hand carts (which really let you know what is easy and hard to pull) and some animal pulled items as well (though I often use skids for animals). The rolling resistance of wide tires is substantially higher than narrow tires, and the rolling resistance of low pressure tires is substantially higher than tires with high pressure. That is, as Donn correctly points out, as long as the tires maintain floatation in the terraign (think of narrow/high pressure tires on pavement or sand vs wide low pressure tires on pavement or sand). Overall, it seems the best efficiency is would be with tires that are as narrow as is required to maintain floation on the surface. If you don’t maintain floation, all bets are off as rolling resistance increases and efficency takes a nosedive. Rolling resistance for steel or other inflexible wheels goes down dramatically as wheel diameter increases. This makes intuitive sense to me, as the contact patch grows with wheel diameter and allows one to use a narrow wheel without having to sacrifice contact area and floation. You can see this in some historical designs as well, with tall wheels being very common for things like high wheel log carriers, ox carts, and wagon wheels (esp rear wagon wheels that carry more load). Notice these are not pneumatic tires. For pneumatic tires the situation is more complex because the tire surface itself compresses to accomodate the terraign which lowers rolling resistance and increases floation. Because of this multifactorial accomidation, pneumatic wheels reach a point of diminishing returns when is comes to rolling resistance vs. wheel diameter at about 30 inches or so. Today, most pneumatic wheels that are designed to make the most of limited power are in this range (bicycles wheels, fuel efficient cars, most logging arches). If you are substantially below this wheel diameter, there are gains to be had here, but if you are already using “car or pickup sized” tires, there is little more that can be gained using larger diameters.
Although I think this conversation about wheels is fascinating, I think the biggest source of drag in this system is going to be the dragging end of the log. If I had a winch, I would probably hitch up a tilt bed trailer behind that cart, winch the log(s) up onto the trailer to transport them, and then roll them off the side when you got where you are going. Having the load completely on wheels (IE nothing dragging) is going to give you a massive increase in efficiency. It could easily double the load you can pull on the flat. I predict the effect of the tires (given the set up you already have) will be subtle.
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