Ideas for new Pioneer equipment

[dominiquer60]

I have never heard anything personally, but I didn’t expect to either, I was just compiling our opinions, ideas and suggestions. However a college budy of mine managed to get a sneak peak of their new sulky cultivator prototype. Ben posted a thread with a link to a youtube video. http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?t=3465

I know that it is not always easy for you to view videos, I will try to describe it some. It is similar to a McCormick Deering 2 horse riding cultivator in the sense that you can sit and steer the wheels with foot pedals, but it seems to have the promise of hitching more modern small cultivating implements with greater ease than the old Mc Deerings. I am looking forward to seeing it in person perhaps next year if they bring it to NEAPFD. Even if similar to the old Mc Deering 2 horse, it will be nice to have a unit that is easy to find parts for and has some of the winning features of a classic.

Erika

[vthorselogger]

I have a question about the truck rearend to make a ground drive forecart. How would you set up the clutch to engage and disengage? The frame work would be pretty simple to fabricate I think. Thanks for the ideas, this is a great network

[jac]

I thought about the truck axle when it was mentioned on here earlier.. and the only way i could think to do it was use one of those triple v belts and have a throw out lever on a pully. I figured that if it can drive a combine it could drive horse drawn equipment… but then again i might be wrong:D…
John

[vthorselogger]

What about some sort of slide coupler? It would probably have to be on the shaft running back to the pto. Would it be benificial to weld the spider gears in the rearend as well?

[jac]

The throw out lever on a grain binder would give you that I recon. Not sure about welding up the Dif.. would it not make it hard to turn in tight corners ??..
John

[vthorselogger]

I think I figured out how to make the slip coupler idea work. You make a good point about the welding, it definitely would not turn well in tight situations well at all. I will skip that step.

[mitchmaine]

i think i’d leave the differential alone. it would come in handy and be more of an asset. on good dry ground it wouldn’t slip that much.
the belt clutch with an idler arm would work good and still be cheap.
the drive shaft going in turns clockwise just like the engine. an output shaft or pto needs to turn counterclockwise. by hooking the pole aft and pulling it like you were backing up, the driveshaft yoke would turn in reverse (counter cw) and be turning the correct way?????????????????
the chuck is a 3:1ish reduction gear so you might have to speed it up also so you probably can’t get away without a sprocket or two. but it still sounds like a good idea.

[vthorselogger]

So I was thinking about the coupler idea and then I thought what if you used a transmission for the clutch mechanism? It would go into gear when stopped and come out of gear easily if you needed to disengage it quickly. Any thoughts on this idea? Thanks for all the input

[jac]

The transmission idea would work …. but it would put an awfull lot of extra drag on the rig….I always find that the simpler the system is the better. Remember that your pto forecart isnt going to be able to start anything that needs a lot of torque on start up….well unless its a big team your going with that is, in which case you will need the transmission after all..good luck with it and try and post some fotos….
John

[vthorselogger]

You think the transmission would be to much? I was thinking it would be an advantage other than the extra weight. The rearend I have came out of a one ton truck so I think the gear ratio is at least 4.10 to 1. Also those old transmissions shifted pretty easy on the fly so you could adjust pto speed with out starting and stopping I would think.

[jac]

At 3 an half miles/hr with an 8ft circumferance wheel on the axle your shaft is turning at.. 157 rpm.. give or take so a 3.5 increase would be near the 540.. I can totally understand wanting a more constant drive for horse drawn machines and perhaps a way of gearing up or down would be a good option.. I just think that horses are too variable for us to be able to keep up with the changes and you might spend most of your time trying to keep the gearing spot on ?? Im to lazy for that and just want to sit back and enjoy the time 🙂 Its certainly worth a try though…
John

[vthorselogger]

The tire on the end of the axle certainly won’t have an 8 foot circumference. I have seen the ground drive forcarts that are 2-speed. They seem to work pretty well. I was just thinking it could get better or find better ranges for things to work with more ranges to work them in. I am just a beginner at the whole horse thing and fabricating for horses. I was into building trucks before. Then I drove my first team of horses and it has been all over since then!

[jac]

Yes they are real addictive :).. the wheel on my mower is 8′ around, the taller the wheel is the better grip you will have for th higher torque start ups.. keep us posted with it.. im allways looking for new ways to do things to…best luck..
John

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