Parbuckling Logs on a Bobsled

[Does’ Leap]

Hi Carl:

What you write makes a lot of sense. I will try going shorter and piling higher for my firewood. For saw logs, I will try the same when possible, but as you mentioned I get a premium for 18s and 20s. I don’t normally block wood off my bobsled on my yarding road. This was my way of remedying my poor judgement regarding the amount of draft on a mostly dirt road. I will block off some wood at times before the last hill up to my woodshed. However, I think with half mile plus skids adding those extra couple logs makes sense even if I have to block some off as the bottom of the hill is only 75 ft from my woodshed. After my I split my wood, I move it short distances with a 1/3 chord rack that goes on the bucket of my tractor – so this is an easy jaunt.

Regarding trotting, do you drive to town in second gear:)? Why not giv trotting a try? I don’t actively condition my horses other than year-round consistent work. However, I believe trotting provides a level of fitness different from the high intensity, brief exertion of logging – similar to cross training with high level athletes. I think this paid dividends when it is haying time which is generally low intensity, long duration exertion. I also believe a collected, measured trot adds to to my horses’ mental fitness as it is yet another area that they/we can explore and endeavor to master.

Unrelated question: how do you pull multiple quotes from a single post or from multiple posts for that matter? I can’t seem to figure out what the “+ icon is at the bottom left of the screen or how to use it.

George

[Carl Russell]

@Does’ Leap 39404 wrote:

…..Regarding trotting, do you drive to town in second gear:)? Why not giv trotting a try? …..

Second gear is somewhere on the way to O/D, right????:rolleyes:

Oh, I do trot my horses, on the town road, but I really don’t have much favorable terrain. Usually going into the woods with my sled is a pretty serious warm-up in its own right. The other aspect, is that my horses are usually pretty fresh when they are fresh, and would just love to trot into the woods, so I usually I don’t give them what they want, until they give me what I want.

I have never been able to multi-quote a post, but I usually hit reply with quote, and if there is more than one statement I want to highlight I copy and paste it between the brackets on the

Quote bubble icon in the header

. I also will cut and paste from other posts in the thread if I want to include them. like this

Does’ Leap wrote:

Unrelated question: how do you pull multiple quotes from a single post or from multiple posts for that matter? I can’t seem to figure out what the “+ icon is at the bottom left of the screen or how to use it., I just have to type in the name of the original poster by adding =Does’ Leap after Quote in the first bracket. Sometimes I open another window to the thread to scroll through pages that I can’t access once I am in the reply box, like this

Does’ Leap wrote:

Another factor with the aforementioned load (aside from my underestimating the amount of dirt vs. snow on my road) was a 19″ DBH x 16′ soft maple..

Carl:cool:

Hopewell Farm wrote:

Carl can correct me if I am wrong, but the benefit to runners, specifically metal runners in the snow would be similar to how ice skates work, in that the friction from the runner on the snow melts the snow forming a small amount of liquid which decreases the resistance, creating the advantage. When the forward movement is stopped the liquid refreezes as the heat generated during movement quickly dissipates at rest and essentially freezes the runner to the snow. Depending on the length of the runner this can present a sizable bond that would need to be broken to begin forward movement.

I may be stating the obvious here, I apologize if this has been previously discussed.

John That’s about right John…….It usually takes more than the few minutes that I take to rest my horses, and it happens really infrequently though.

[mink]

george your getting some pretty good mileage with this thread:) from the last 2 posts i learned the horse is a multi-speed beast , being whoa, first gear , second gear and the oh shit this is going to hurt gear.:eek: all said you have a good post going on here . mink

[Tim Harrigan]

@mink 39411 wrote:

george your getting some pretty good mileage with this thread:) from the last 2 posts i learned the horse is a multi-speed beast , being whoa, first gear , second gear and the oh shit this is going to hurt gear.:eek: all said you have a good post going on here . mink

George, I just figured this out earlier today and then saw your question. In this example I will double quote mink and your earlier post. Go to minks post #33 and at the bottom you will see reply, reply with quote and then a little quote bubble. Click on the quote bubble and you will see a check mark appear next to it. Now go down to your post #31 and check that quote bubble so the check appears. Now go back up to minks post and click on Reply with Quote. Both quotes will appear and you can edit appropriately.

@Does’ Leap 39404 wrote:

Hi Carl:

What you write makes a lot of sense. I will try going shorter and piling higher for my firewood. George

[Carl Russell]

@Tim Harrigan 39412 wrote:

George, I just figured this out earlier today and then saw your question. In this example I will double quote mink and your earlier post.

I always thought that link was for Multi-quoting that one post…… like this below, but it never worked, so I never tried to use it like you describe Tim…

Tim Harrigan wrote:

Go to minks post #33 and at the bottom you will see reply, reply with quote and then a little quote bubble.
Sometimes I like to reply to

Tim Harrigan wrote:

Click on the quote bubble and you will see a check mark appear next to it.
different parts of the same post

Tim Harrigan wrote:

Now go down to your post #31 and check that quote bubble so the check appears.
as when someone posts a list of

Tim Harrigan wrote:

Now go back up to minks post and click on Reply with Quote.
questions……

Tim Harrigan wrote:

Both quotes will appear and you can edit appropriately.
:rolleyes:
Carl

[Carl Russell]

@Does’ Leap 39404 wrote:

…… as you mentioned I get a premium for 18s and 20s.

Yep, you will just have to figure out the best combo of long and short logs. Another way I get the logs farther forward is to give the horses about 5 heel links ahead of the evener. It means that I have a longer pole, but I can roll my neck yoke to shorten it, lengthening the heel chains, or vice versa. I do lose some degree of lift, but the added forward load more than makes up for it.

@Does’ Leap 39404 wrote:

…I don’t normally block wood off my bobsled on my yarding road. This was my way of remedying my poor judgement regarding the amount of draft on a mostly dirt road….

This is a perpetual learning curve….

@Does’ Leap 39404 wrote:

…. I will block off some wood at times before the last hill up to my woodshed. However, I think with half mile plus skids adding those extra couple logs makes sense even if I have to block some off as the bottom of the hill is only 75 ft from my woodshed. After my I split my wood, I move it short distances with a 1/3 chord rack that goes on the bucket of my tractor – so this is an easy jaunt.
…..

That sounds pretty convenient….. I don’t have the tractor, but I have gone back later with a cart and skidded dropped logs the rest of the way to the landing….

Carl

[Tim Harrigan]

@Hopewell Farm 39269 wrote:

Carl can correct me if I am wrong, but the benefit to runners, specifically metal runners in the snow would be similar to how ice skates work, in that the friction from the runner on the snow melts the snow forming a small amount of liquid which decreases the resistance, creating the advantage. When the forward movement is stopped the liquid refreezes as the heat generated during movement quickly dissipates at rest and essentially freezes the runner to the snow. Depending on the length of the runner this can present a sizable bond that would need to be broken to begin forward movement.

John

@Carl Russell 39409 wrote:

That’s about right John…….It usually takes more than the few minutes that I take to rest my horses, and it happens really infrequently though.

I am aware of the ice skate analogy and I do not think it is an issue of freezing to the ground, at least not in the way we typically think about. When I made those starting draft measurements I did 6 or 8 stops and starts, maybe waiting 10-15 seconds between starts. This is really more of a momentum and friction coefficient issue. This was in 3-4 inches of snow, I don’t recall if the ground was frozen or not. I have not measured this on ice or a hard packed trail. I would not be suprised if it was about the same.

[j.l.holt]

As was said early on in this post, starting a load is tough. I had a old red mare one time that was as good as they come. I would put her off the trail because it was narrow and I wanted to use the ditch bank to load off from. This would cock the Bob front alittle on the trail. When we left out the bob would pull a few inches before it was straight to the trail again. This gave the load alittle side pull and made it easyer to get going. I do this all I can now, even in the summer in a wagon. Just alittle side pull to get going.
One person said it seemed to him that the runners were one with the snow. This is caused by the snow melting from compression and freezing to the runner. Now you have to wear that layer of ”frost” off before they slide good.

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