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- September 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm #40874TaylorJohnsonParticipant
What do you all think the answer is to this liability and insurance problem that we are facing today? What is the first step to ending this madness. I mean in this economy they should turn every one lose to make it any way they can. They will not allow you to be a small bizz any more ,, at least it seems that way. I would like to see some common sense back in play. politicians and lawyers have pitted every one against every one and that is the way they want us . So the question is what do we do about it? Were do we go.
I have more wood to cut and more contracts to work on than I know what to do with and if I could hire some help it would be great. And it would make a few young men happy to have something to do but right now I can not and it makes me mad,,, it is not what this country was suppose to be. I might not be able to pay them a high carrier bang up salary but I could pay them more than setting home looking at the wall plus teach them how to work. May be some of them might go on there own and get there own teams and such. What is wrong with that ? Well boys what do you think the answer is ? I think this is a bigger problem than any other we are facing in the industry right now, markets come and go and we have to adjust all the time to that but man power is some thing that is always going to be needed and they are stealing are ability to provide that to are own businesses.
This might not matter to some one doing this as a hobby but if you are trying to make a living at it or run it as a business then it should get you a little worked up. People should have the right to work together at what ever legal activity they want to and be able to come to terms and agree on them and not have some money hungry law man take advantage of it and turn it for his gain . I wish that we had some folks in the government with a back bone to put an end to this BS. Taylor JohnsonSeptember 17, 2009 at 9:37 pm #54198lancekParticipantamen taylor.
its not only the insurance but the uttilitys been here a week and there still jacking us around lancekSeptember 19, 2009 at 6:45 am #54197OldKatParticipant@TaylorJohnson 11238 wrote:
What do you all think the answer is to this liability and insurance problem that we are facing today? What is the first step to ending this madness. I mean in this economy they should turn every one lose to make it any way they can. They will not allow you to be a small bizz any more ,, at least it seems that way. I would like to see some common sense back in play. politicians and lawyers have pitted every one against every one and that is the way they want us . So the question is what do we do about it? Were do we go.
I have more wood to cut and more contracts to work on than I know what to do with and if I could hire some help it would be great. And it would make a few young men happy to have something to do but right now I can not and it makes me mad,,, it is not what this country was suppose to be. I might not be able to pay them a high carrier bang up salary but I could pay them more than setting home looking at the wall plus teach them how to work. May be some of them might go on there own and get there own teams and such. What is wrong with that ? Well boys what do you think the answer is ? I think this is a bigger problem than any other we are facing in the industry right now, markets come and go and we have to adjust all the time to that but man power is some thing that is always going to be needed and they are stealing are ability to provide that to are own businesses.
This might not matter to some one doing this as a hobby but if you are trying to make a living at it or run it as a business then it should get you a little worked up. People should have the right to work together at what ever legal activity they want to and be able to come to terms and agree on them and not have some money hungry law man take advantage of it and turn it for his gain . I wish that we had some folks in the government with a back bone to put an end to this BS. Taylor JohnsonTaylor, I know next to nothing about the logging industry. I’ve learned more than I will ever use just by reading the posts that you guys make. However, your question was about insurance and what it is going to take to end the mess we are currently in. You end by saying; “I wish that we had some folks in the government with a back bone to put an end to this BS.”
You titled your post “What do you think”, so here goes; this is what I think. I think there is not anyone in the government (at any level) that has the backbone to do anything about this problem, nor will there be.
How am I so confident in saying this? Simple; the trial lawyers (those that handle lawsuits) virtually OWN one of our two political parties and they have pretty much leased the other one. They make MASSIVE campaign donations to the MOC (member of congress) and they expect and get what they want in return, which is the ability to bring virtually limitless lawsuits against whoever they wish. My proof? The fiasco that is currently being tossed around right now, “health care reform”. It is known beyond ANY doubt that the costs of litigation are adding a massive burden to the health care industry. One that, if controlled, could dramatically lower the cost of health care. Yet there is NO mention of tort (lawsuit) reform in ANY of the 5 bills that are being considered for reconciliation. The reason? One side of the aisle is giving the trial lawyers payback for all those juicy donations. The other side is going along too, but I can’t quite figure out why; as they only get about 7% of the money that the trial lawyers dole out annually. You can bet your mule, ass or other draft animal that they are getting something out of keeping their mouths shut. I just don’t know what that something is.
I guess it would be okay if this only applied to medicine, but unfortunately it applies to EVERYTHING that we do as a society. We are essentially allowing the big money legal eagles to smother our economy. I do not see anyone in government that is willing to cut off the flow of $$$$$ from the trial lawyer spigot. In short my friend; it is EITHER your and my interests (all of us) OR theirs (congress) AND you and I are going to come in a for a far distant second place finish every time.
So until and unless we turn out virtually everyone that is in Congress, NOTHING is going to change. Sorry for the rant, but that is “What I Think”.
September 19, 2009 at 11:10 am #54196RodParticipantThanks old Kat you are right on.
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