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- September 23, 2009 at 3:08 am #40886AnonymousInactive
Hi everyone. I’m new to the forum and I’m looking for some advice. I’ve never worked harness/driving horses before, and just bought a clyde/haflinger cross. He’s about 15.2 hands- stout and stocky- he looks like a mini clyde (hence my screen name). He is 5 and hasn’t been started on much of anything. I worked him in the roundpen yesterday and had him saddled and sat on him for the initial begining. He didn’t buck, bolt, spook- nothing. My goal is to have a good 30-60 days on him before the first snowfall. I’d like to have him broke to ride and drive. Here’s my dilema. I can train a horse to ride under saddle like nobody’s business, so I’m not concerned about that. My concern is driving. I have a good idea of how to start him out with ground driving and I think I’d like to get a meadowbrook style cart, but I’m so confused about all the harness equipment. I’ve googled and talked to people online and it is still just a confusing haze to me. I don’t want to spend a fortune on a harness for him, nor do I want to buy a training harness, and then a regular one for driving. Can’t I just buy a regular harness and break him to drive with that? Also, can you guys give me any tips? I plan to start ground driving him this winter. I’ve watched a few videos on driving and starting a driving horse, so I’m fairly confident in a method, I just need help with picking equipment. If you have any suggestions or thoughts, I’d love to hear it. That’s why I joined this forum- to learn from people who know it best!! ๐
September 23, 2009 at 10:34 am #54280Donn HewesKeymasterhi Miniclyde, Buy the harness you want to use for the purpose you want, and use it while you are training. I have helped a few very experienced horse folks start out in driving a work animal. In every case finding some help made the process easier for the new teamster and the horse. Not to say you can’t do it with out that – just that I believe it makes it easier.
September 23, 2009 at 12:23 pm #54279Lane LinnenkohlParticipantI second what Don said. If you can have an experienced person with you the first time or two in harness, it’ll do a lot for your confidence.
September 23, 2009 at 6:38 pm #54285Ed ThayerParticipantMiniclyde,
I sympathize with your dilema. I too am new to the driving experience.
My one benifit was purchasing an 11 year old Belgian that had been broke and seems to have been there done that, so to speak.
I purchased Lyn Millers book on Training Workhorses / Training Teamsters and found it very helpfull. It has a great deal of information on just what you are looking for.
It addresses the differences in harness, driving equipment and has a ton of photos.
I would agree also that finding someone to help is a huge benifit. That being said, it is not always easy to do. I learned alot by joining a club before I purchased a horse. The members were very helpfull but most of my experience was hands on and not all was good.
Driving a horse at best is a risk. If you read enough on this forum, you will see that broke teams, horses and teamsters have had very scary incidents and no one is immune to problems.
You have come to the right place for help. There is a ton of knolwedge here, myself excluded, and they are all willing to help when possible.
Good luck,
ED
September 24, 2009 at 12:38 am #54277Carl RussellModeratorThe most important advice has already been written (work with someone, or a few someones).
I have also worked with several very experienced riders, and my only extra feed back is that it takes a bit of intellectual effort to change the habits of body contact that riders are accustom to. Work with someone who is working horses so that you can get exposed to the ways that drivers “connect” to the horse.
I know that not all people are the same, but I have noticed that “riders” tend to have a hard time learning to direct and connect to the horse when they are not in the seat.
It really is none of my business, but I think that riders do themselves a disservice when starting out learning to drive, and riding instead. I appreciate the desire to have a horse that is dual purpose. I also understand the need to do something with the horse that one is comfortable with, but the two exercises are very different.
I’m not saying that training a horse to ride is wrong, just learn to separate the two perspectives in your mind, and work on them in their own contexts.
Carl
September 24, 2009 at 12:58 am #54284TBigLugParticipantI second (or third) all advice above and would HIGHLY recommend Lynn Miller’s books (Training Workhorses/ Training Teamsters and The Workhorse Handbook). Above all else, find experienced teamsters to help guide you through. If you find a good harness you will be more than able to train and contnue working in it. Also, PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE. You’ll need to learn how to communicate with only two lines and voice as opposed to lines, neck reign, leg pressure and body position.
Good luck and check back with any other questions.
September 24, 2009 at 5:14 am #54287AnonymousInactiveThanks for the tips everyone. I am already involved in a local carriage and buggy club here, and I do plan to utilize the help offered there. My neighbors have a team of Belgians and are more than willing to help. I’ll have to check out the book as well. I do use voice commands on my “saddle horses” as well, which is helpful in starting this guy, since I’m already used to speaking the command. ๐ His previous owner showed him in halter frequently, so he knows walk, trot and whoa already. I’m going to keep working with him on those basic voice commands. Thanks again for the tips! I’ll keep you posted on our progress.
September 30, 2009 at 5:54 pm #54282gunslinger598ParticipantHi Stacie,
One thing that you can do is use some long lines with your saddle.I usually run the lines through the stirrups but you can buy some snap to put a ring in a more convenient place. This will help get your training going until you can get a harness.
I also have the books mentioned in the above post and refer to them regularly.
Some folks might poo poo the idea, but nylon harness can be purchased on an economy budget as well. Just know what size ya need.
The rule I use is when the horse is in harness I drive them from behind. If they are are unharnessed or saddled then I will lead them.
The one difference in saddle training is many folks get the horse facing them. that works against ya in the driving. Get in a pen or some place where ya can keep em forward & moving. It will only take a day or 3 and you’ll be driving figure 8’s.
Don’t forget to look at the other advice already given.
Good Luck.
October 1, 2009 at 1:07 am #54278ngcmcnParticipantminiclyde, after getting them ground driving nicely what i do is take one of my forecarts that has metal shafts and put it in their corral and feed them hay from it. Ket them bang around on it step over the shafts ect. make is so they have to step over the shafts to get hay whatever works. Then i’ll back them into to the shafts(on the ground, then lift the shafts touch their sides till their goodd with it, play all sorts of games, hitch them eventually, tie them up and stand with the cart while i do chores to keep an eye on them, then sooner or later take them for a spin though a usually start out in a team hitch with a seasoned horse. Depending on my time this could take months. Good luck
neal maine
October 2, 2009 at 2:16 am #54288AnonymousInactiveThank you so much everyone! ๐ This is some really great advice and you’ve all given me a lot of things to think about! This horse isn’t started under saddle yet- so 1 more question. What’s easier to train a “blank slate” horse? He’s been saddled once and I sat on him. I put an “O” ring bit and bridle on him the other day. Other than that, nothing in training on this guy. Would it be best to start driving first, or start under saddle first? I don’t really want to train both at the same time and confuse the poor guy. :confused:
October 2, 2009 at 5:15 pm #54281Donn HewesKeymasterThere really isn’t much to confuse him with. Would you rather ride him tomorrow or drive him to work? Figure out what you want to do and start there. If you spend three days teaching a horse to drive and on the fourth day you get on it’s back, that shouldn’t mess up his abilitity to continue learning to drive on the next day. When you have a clear picture of the purpose you are training for; say you need fire wood and want to skid it with the horse ( that is just one example of a clear purpose); the training will become clear and direct. Something the horse can relate to. What is it you want to do with the horse, right now? DH
October 2, 2009 at 10:18 pm #54286karl t pfisterParticipantHello minicyde , If it were me I ‘d go with my best hand 1/st meaning that ,if training to ride is your thing, get him SOLID there then you’ll know him much better before attempting something that’s new to you and him ,don’t think of how others do it .Every possible combination has been tried, and I have never seen it written in stone “The best Way”. You’ll fine any lose screws , peculiarities as you get to know him better ,just keep in mind what driving entails ,being behind the horse a lot ,it’s handy if they stand STILL for strange things happening in their blind zone . any way have fun keep wondering if he is having fun ,ditto what everyone else said , Karl
October 3, 2009 at 2:58 pm #54283LStoneParticipant@karl t pfister 11447 wrote:
Every possible combination has been tried, and I have never seen it written in stone “The best Way”.
Yes I agree with all who responded here and I think this statement from Karl about summed it up. The horse is yours to do with as you see fit and you should accommodate your needs with him. There are no hard fast answers in a fluid process such as training, but there are easier and different ways. If you read other threads on this site you will read some references to a kind of virtual “toolbox”. I am not sure who came up with the analogy but I think it is a great one. Every time you handle him it is a training experience. Be it new or a refresher. My philosophy is to expose them to as many things as I can think of to familiarize them with as much as possible. Then I can build on those experiences. There are easy lessons and hard ones but the sooner you have trained for saddle and harness the sooner you can either ride or drive. I donโt believe harness one day and saddle the next would be confusing either. I think it would be similar but on a lager scope to desensitizing him to a waving flag and a bridge crossing over a river next to a dam in the same day. When you get him by the flag you can worry about the bridge and theoretically getting back home should be a little easier. Tomorrow will be an entirely different story. No matter the task, situation, or discipline; you must put in the time and repetitions to get the desired result.
Larry
April 1, 2010 at 12:41 am #54289AnonymousInactiveWell, it has been a tad bit over 6 months now since I got Huckleberry (Huck). Since I didn’t have a harness until just recently, I did start him under saddle. I’d still classify him as green under saddle. I’ve harnessed him up about 5 times now and we did our first actual ground driving lesson with the harness. Before I’d taken gunslinger’s advice with running lines through my stirrups. Huck did extreemly well. I was beyond impressed. He responded well and was very quiet. As the lesson went on, he got better and better with turning in the round pen. We even picked up the pace and trotted some figure 8s. When he had a pretty good idea of the game, I took him out to the yard to drive him there. He did very well. Thanks again to everyone for the great advice! I’m beyond excited. It is a small step, I know. But a step none-the-less. ๐ฎ
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