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It looks a lot like this one, but maybe older

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First off – Bret This is not aimed at you. Just trying to start a reasonable discussion. I am not using any quotes from your message for this reason.

I don’t want to start a rule war on DOT regs as they are different from state to state AND inspector to inspector… But :rolleyes:

A commercial motor vehicle requiring a Class B license is a vehicle registered or rated for over 26001 pounds.

A commercial motor vehicle requiring a Class A license is ANY vehicle with a trailer that is registered OR rated over 10,000 pounds.

It is possible to have a commercial motor vehicle requiring a Class C license but that is a rare occurence.

A commercial motor vehicle power unit must be registered for the complete weight of the unit.

This is important because if you haul a 12K pound registered truck plus a loaded trailer weight of 16k pounds, the truck must be registered for 28K pounds. Now the everyday driver MUST have at least a CDL class B because the truck is registered for 28K pounds. That’s right, Momma must have a CDL B to go to the store for milk.

The federal DOT does not address the issues of compensation for any activities. The federal DOT is interested if you are involved in “interstate commerce” Basically crossing state lines for business.

The local State DOT department is concerned with “intrastate commerce” Doing business within the state in question. If you cross a state line, no AG exemption is gonna save you in the next state unless the have reciprocity.

You can be considered an “interstate carrier” EVEN IF You never cross state lines. If the product that you are transporting will cross state lines, the Federal DOT considers you a “interstate carrier”

Any person with a CDL class A,B,or C license must have a medical card & must participate in random drug testing.

Any person driving a CMV must have a log book if more than 100 air miles from the “home” location. If the person driving the CMV stays within the air mile exemption, they must punch in & out on a time clock at the home location each day. If the person is punched in for more than 12 hours, they must fill out a log for the day in question even if they did not drive that day.

Don’t forget those fuses have to be the proper sizes. You cannot just pick up a spare box of 30 amp fuses & call it good.

Also do not forget to check the weight ratings of your truck & trailer tires. The weight ratings on each axle must be more than the weight applied. A lot of the cheap discount tires are the minimum weight rating for the vehicle in question..

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Forecart sold, both wagons still available.

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A new law prohibits horses and carts from the country’s main arteries. The reason is that they are responsible for 10% of the nation’s auto accidents.

I cannot help but think that if they banned automobiles the accident rate would go down 90% instead of a measly 10%. It might even be found that the accident rate could go down near to 100% because of the obvious lack of anything to run into the horse and carts:eek:

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@TBigLug 3534 wrote:

Also, if anyone knows of websites theat give regional hay prices/ auction results, I’d appreciate that as well.

http://www.hayexchange.com/

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I too like it better with the pad, but I also would like to see it under load. One of my horses always seems loose on the collar until he leans into it, then it looks good.

On a side note I have an old pair of pulling hames that would fit right in with that seasoned collar. They are ~23-25″ depending on the ratchet setting. They are not pretty. If you want them they are yours. We just have to figure out how to get them to you. BOL

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Nate did mention that he didn’t like them for trotting down the road because they seemed to flap around more than a traditional box brichen draft harness.

In my experience a D-ring harness is a walking harness. Les Barden’s style of neck yoke seems to be more forgiving of a stiff trot, but it can still get bouncy when the team gets out of step. I think it is a personal decision to some extent. My boys are old, I’m no spring chicken, we prefer to walk.

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@Neil Dimmock 2857 wrote:

some times you see what to when you think you have the best of something ,you miss the obvious, its just pulling from a differnt angle, pulling down on the tugs still puts weight on the collar, Like I said you cant avoid the weight with any harness!

I am not going to argue with Mr Dimmock over harnesses, but I will ask a polite question.

Which strap in the above picture would you like me to disconnect to prove the no weight issue?

I am going to have a hard time doing this pic as the off side horse is scheduled to be put to sleep on Monday, but I will get it done.

Would having the collars off & being hooked to the wagon suffice?

Or are we having a difference of meanings? This could likely be. I am talking about the absence of the weight of the tongue on the collar.

Not the absence of a draft on the tugs transferring to the collar caused by the forward motion of a load.

A friend also just called & told me to bite my tongue about “lazy straps”. She is correct that they are a meaningful safety device (left loose) in case one of the forward straps breaks. If one strap breaks, the yoke goes to knee level in a millisecond.

Or I could do the collars & the britchen, but I think we agree that there is no weight being transferred there. Let me know if you would humor me. -Josh

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Whoops, I guess only one pic per post..

This view shows that my britchen is too low. Why is it too low? Because the harness is too big, but it is what I have.

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Lazy straps are for lazy people, not lazy horses. Take no heed of the man in the tall black hat, he speaks in riddles.

While I in no way suggest that my harnesses don’t need some serious help, my horses don’t complain to much & they do not have sore or chaffed necks.

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@jenjudkins 1368 wrote:

Look at that rack…how could you get anywhere with that!

I think that with that rack you can go anywhere you want to, I don’t think you will have to worry about getting a stick in the eye after he walks through the trees

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I assume the removable part is so the back traces can be exchanged easily?

The removable (“hinged” if you will) part is for the strap to the britchen. This allows the rear trace to follow the necessary line to the implement without interference.

Yes the britchen is too low. I am still working on getting these harnesses to the proper fit. Unfortunately a good deal on a harness doesn’t always work out. The only thing that I know is correct is the forward trace length as I ordered new forward traces after Mr. Barden gave the correct length. The girth & belly band have been modified to keep the correct angle on the hames (90 degrees as set with a framing square).

Another note on Mr. Barden. He makes what I would call a d-ring neckyoke. The reason I mention this is that the D-ring neckyoke made my setup work better. I’m sure he could make one in your dimensions. His neckyoke is not in the above old picture.

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This is a spare D-ring that I have. I could mail it to you for reference if needed, Just return it when your done.

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pictures of your Donkeys

Sorry no donkeys here, just a couple of old boys. Here is one of Barney doing things badly.

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Please do contact Mr Barden before you purchase anything. I didn’t know of him until I purchased his video which has his contact info at the end of it.

Being shy by nature, I snapped some pictures of my boys rigged & ready, had them blown up to 8×10’s & mailed them to him. He felt so sorry for me (I guess) that he came out to the farm a week later to show me which pieces I needed to shorten & lengthen. Most of the pieces were well past the adjustment range of the harness, if they were even adjustable, necessitating new pieces.

His take on the harness makers seemed to be that even though they were well intentioned, he had never met one that could make a D ring harness correctly without some dimensional guidance just because they don’t make many. So far in my very limited experience, I agree.

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