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@Carl Russell 9932 wrote:

I too am a non-cooperator. However, I do not believe in our judicial system enough to go to jail to try to prove that it can save us. I will not fight with them, and I won’t conform, NAIS will have no affect on my life.

It’s important that people understand that we are not alone when we stand up to them, because the fear is all they have. There is no way they will be able to enforce this lunacy, unless we all scatter and get picked off one by one.

Carl

I agree with you, except that if it does pass and you continue to refuse to comply, it may very well affect your life. When they start forcing veterinarians to report noncompliers, or auctions or slaughter houses to do the same, at some point it will affect you. Who was it that wrote something like: When they came for this group, I wasn’t one of them, so I didn’t complain. When they came for that group, I wasn’t one, so still I said nothing. Then when they came for me there was no one left to help me.

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http://www.premierlonghorns.com/RidingLonghorns.html

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@Ixy 8783 wrote:

all I can say from England where every cow has a passport and eartags and we have movement restrictions and have to tell the government EVERY time we move a cow and get prosecuted if you dont comply – FIGHT THIS AS HARD AS YOU CAN! 😡 🙁

Nice to hear from someone who is experiencing it firsthand. I hope that the groups who are supporting this, such as the FFA and some of the cattle organizations, realize that there are more important things in life than just opening up new markets in China for the big agribusiness corporations.

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Try this workshop too. You won’t be sorry. I hear that you can even bring your team along.

http://www.berrybrookoxsupply.com/ox_events.htm

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I’m very concerned at the ramifications for livestock owners, when we begin to practice excessive anthropomorphism. Very few of us want our animals to suffer, even psychologically, but what is the result if we start to give our animals such emotions as grief? Sure, any female animal will react negatively when it’s offspring are in danger or are removed, as will other animals toward established herd mates. Are they reacting toward the individual, or just toward the fact that a well established herd member is now gone? Is it really “grief”, or simply just an instinctual reaction designed to increase the chances of survival of the species? In a pair or team, when one dies or is removed, is the remaining animal missing the individual, or just the companionship that most herd animals crave as part of their natural survival behaviors? These questions are not easily answered here, but all livestock owners should keep in mind that those who pass laws which govern us, including the majority, the non-animal owning public, are largely ignorant about animal care. The only reference they have is their pet dog or cat. What is the result if we ourselves start reinforcing this idea of grief amongst animals which are seperated? Will we eventually be required to slaughter or sell entire herds as a unit, rather than subject individual members to psychological or emotional “abuse” by their removal?
I’m told that every winter, the NH Dept of Ag receives more and more complaints of horse and other livestock “abuse” or neglect, simply because the animals are seen by a member of the public being outdoors in the cold or snow. It doesn’t matter that they have perfectly adequate shelter available to them if they choose. All the complainer has for a frame of reference for animal care is his puppy or kitty curled up on the couch indoors, yet the innocent livestock owner must endure an invasion of his privacy and property, and an inspection because of the complainer’s ignorance. Those of you who show your animals at fairs know how many stupid, to us, questions we receive from the public. It seems to me that the questions are getting worse and worse each year because of the increased disconnect from farm and natural world. We all know that animal rights groups are largely based on ignorance of the actual needs and behaviors of animals, but they receive funding from somewhere, from the people who donate who also have incorrect, anthropomorphic opinions about the needs of animals. People, who in the long term will control our activities, if we don’t do a better job of educating them.

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I’ve gone to several of their workshops in recent years, and they’ve all been good or very good. A few have been excellent. I didn’t see the instructors listed anywhere, but those that I’ve gone to which were taught by Jon Nute are among my favorites. There are others who have been very good too, who’s names haven’t quite stuck with me, but Jon’s teaching style works well for me. I’ve taken at least one valuable pointer away from all of the workshops. Sometimes more. I especially liked a chainsaw safety course that Jon taught. IMO, in general they’re worth many times the cost. I will say that one woodland owner’s workshop given at the Farm and Forest Expo a few years ago included a lot of the NH Extension people, as well as some of the USDA people who talked on some of the laws which govern woodcutting activities. The NH folks were great, but some of the feds, one woman in particular, struck me as a sterotypical bureaucrat, and heavy handed at that.

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@Jean 5943 wrote:

Up until today I was able to do 2 things at once at work. I could be on a conference call and DAP at the same time. I could take a break from the corporate humdrum and check in to see what the lucky people were doing. No more, DAP is now blocked by the web filtering system. I was so upset by this discovery this afternoon, I had to leave work early. That will teach them to ruin my day.
Jean

This is all tongue in cheek, right? I’m all for encouraging as much and as frequent involvement at DAP as possible, but you did say that you were at work, didn’t you? Since when is it OK to become upset when a source of one’s unproductivity at work is discovered and removed? That employer has some nerve, expecting you not to goof off on company time. Serves them right that you left early. Don’t be surprised if they soon give in, and give you plenty of time to surf the web, especially in this economy. They may be asking that you do it from home, but I doubt that it’s telecommuting that they’ll have in mind.

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Nice. I see how the stop would work, but what is the short piece of pipe opposite it for?

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Last, check out how mahouts guide elephants (with their feet on the elephant’s shoulders – I think it’s on the shoulder but maybe it’s behind the ear). Pretty cool. Those things are the ultimate logging unit – besides skidding logs they can load the truck for you

It’s behind the ears. Yes, they can load the truck for you, but they’re also one of the most dangerous animals to work with. They don’t fool around, and if they mean you harm, you’re done.

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It’s just an awesome design. Very user friendly. I wonder about lining it with plywood instead of steel, to reduce the weight, and limit noise, if one wouldn’t be using it too often for heavy loads like gravel?

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I agree with the others Rod. That cart is some nice. I can’t wait to see a picture with the seat in place.
I had a hard time picturing how the rear door was hinged, from looking at the plans. What do you have planned for the latching mechanism, especially to hold in all the weight, if you had it loaded with something heavy like gravel?
What is the purpose of adding a third wheel? The plans say that their version would weigh in at over 300 kg. You sure about your estimate of 300lbs?
Anyone have any idea of what they would have to get for one, if they were making one similar to sell to others?

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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/memberbillssponsored.aspx?member=376779

This link might work easier.

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Look at this woman’s record of recent bills that she’s aponsored:
[HTML]http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/memberbillssponsored.aspx?member=376779[/HTML]IMO, her record reads like that of a classic animal rights fanatic. Her heart may be in the right place, but like so many anthropomorphic kitty huggers, IMO, she’s unrealisitic, and she goes too far by attempting to trample our rights in the name of animal protection.
It’s nice that she sponsored a bill that increases the penalty for abuse of a service dog from a misdemeanor to a felony, but is there that much abuse of seeing eye dogs in NH to warrant spending our tax dollars on passing this law?
Same with her bitter antifreeze bill. It’s a nice idea, but do we need a law for it? Responsible animal owners keep their animals safe. Why do we all have to pay the higher price for antifreeze because of those who are irresponsible?
Think what you want about greyhound racing, but I don’t think that it in itself is cruel or inhumane to the dogs. The real issue that the animal rights people like Rep Skinder are concerned about, is breeding dogs to populate the tracks. She also proposes a bill to require a license for every individual who sells more than one dog or cat per year in NH. I wonder if the responsible dog breeders have caught on to that one yet? Breed a single litter in NH, and you’ll be required to get a license to sell them. Is this woman from NH, or is it Massachusetts?
I’m cerrtainly not condoning animal cruelty, but she also sponsored a bill that allows immediate confiscation of one’s animals, if a person is arrested on suspicion of cruelty. Police do occasionally make mistakes. People are sometimes falsely accused, especially in this day and age where the average person has no idea about proper care of livestock verses household pets, and thinks that any animal that is allowed outdoors during winter is being abused. Besides, aren’t we still considered innocent in this country until proven guilty? Maybe Rep Skinder is not from Massachusetts. Maybe it’s communist China?

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So what happened? Was it actually killed?

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What do you mean by “aggressive”? Keep the one that you like the best. If that’s the most dominant, so be it. Keep him busy by giving him plenty of things to do. Do a web search for chicken enrichment for plenty of ideas.

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