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Don’t mean to high jack this but what is the point of having different spots for the cross checks on a team harness? on my nylon harness it has beta lines and there are about 4 different holes and then I had a feller look over it and said they must be a hand full backing up and punched a new hole in and they were a lot better handling.

I’ve been looking in to three abreast for some while, when it drys out some I’m hoping I can plow with them

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what kind of twine do you use? the brown stuff or the polly plastic stuff?

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what model baler is that? I just want net wrap because every twine bail I’ve had unless it was the orange plastic twine it rots and just leaves a mess, when my folks farm they always had a guy with net wrap and never had a mess where their hay was stored.

I have more than enough horses to pull it around on a cart, I don’t know what HP number it would take and I also don’t know how it starts to wrap cycle, the 567 568 I’ve ran had IH 7120,7130 or 8920 on them and they all had a monitor that would tell how much hay was on each side of the bale, you could choose how many times the bale was wrapped, the size height wise, had a door alarm bale counter and I cant remember what all else was on the stupid thing there’s a lot of things I could control.

My dad has a JD 336 small sqt baler but I’m not going to be able to bale everything with it I don’t think. I have horses at 2 different places currently and at one place I have about 15 ac of hay and at the home I have about 20 plus depending on how much more I get tilled up it’s old cow pasture, a lot like CRP currently so last year I plowed some over it but I have a lot of rock picking to do and if I get time I’ll have more to work plowing and picking..

I may cheat and ask an uncle to come out with his rock rake and do it that way just because I really don’t want to be buying hay any more a lot of places are getting a little out of control in my eyes.

I have 3 belgians, and 2 percheron’s and out the the 5, 3 of them are really hard workers and just dig in and work. I’m thinking about breeding the perch because they are mother daughter and the daughter has been a real knot head lately and several people told me to get her bred so if I do that I’m going to do them both so I’d have a team the same age out of the deal.

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Well I was planning on putting a seat on this plow and just get a pole of some sort set up on it. I have 3 16H-17H horses that are really hard working horses I have two others that are 17 and 18h and they work but compared to the other 3 they can be kind of dingy some times… I’d say that the land is black dirt kind of like sand, its not heavy like clay but its not sand, its kind of light, also depends on what we get for rain, last year I tried to plow with a tractor and it was so dry and hard it didn’t really work well, I hooked on a 16ft disk with my tractor and all it did was cut the grass off and maybe went and inch in the soil.

My brother has a pull type like I said before, that I would be able to use, I don’t think its larger than a 16. and I don’t plow or work the horses as hard as I could. If its really hot out I have a hard time dealing with the heat it just drains me so by two if shes really nasty out I wait till about 5 or 6 and go back out and work when it starts to cool off and work in to the dark.

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I’ll tell you my experience I had. I grew up on a small farm. my parents had tractors mainly IH stuff largest one being about 90HP, use a NH 1214 discbine to cut hay and really could mow with that. My grandpa passed away a few years back and my grandma finally was starting to get to cleaning the barn out, I got vast majority of his stuff. Wagon’s harness parts, cutter sleigh. bob sled to name a few. I really learned a lot of things after he passed and I couldn’t stand to let that stuff sit. I was going to school and working nights driving semi and tax time came around and found a team of beligan gelding’s. I got them from a guy on the other side of the state. they were 12 and 14 when I bought them in 2012, one is 18H and other 17.2 really solid sound team. I didn’t really know they would be as big as they were. I paid 2450 delivered with everything to make them drive but collars and bits. I went to the local Amish and paid 80 for one collar and 100 for the other. All his bits are 10 dollars and collar pads are 25. so that was another 250 to get a grand total 2900. I had zero experience with drafts let alone working and hitching a team, the only horses I’ve ever been around are mini’s because after my parents sold all the milking cows my mom thought I needed something to take care of and she got mini’s for me to feed and water, and its sad to say but that’s all they ever got. mainly because besides pulling a cart around I could do anything with them and I wanted to spend my time with speed and power in motocross stuff.

I spent a lot of time on here and watching things on youtube how people would work a horse and different things. I’ll be honest I got a really good deal on a great starter team. I could stop them anywhere drop the lines and stand in front of them and do what ever I had to do, adjust something on a wagon, switch poles out. move stuff for 10 min’s and they wouldn’t move, they would rub their heads and scratch on each other and that’s it. They don’t know Gee and Haw. but I didn’t care. My next team came from a horse puller, mare gelding team, that was a night mare from hell, I hooked them twice and I had a run away, it was the gelding, he was really flighty, I took him back kept the mare, I’ll admit shes a little bit of a hand full when you first start Shes 9 now and 16.2ish and she’ll out pull my big Belgian gelding any day of the week. She really digs in and pulls hard and you learn to respect a little bit of a high strung horse, I now also am in the works of paying for a team of percherons that are about 10ish mother daughter team and they are flawless, really caddy on their feet, dance around in the woods awesome took some time for me to get them to pull hard with out a pole between them but they found the gear one day in a snow storm. I paid way more than I would ever thought I would paid for horses, but they are well worth it and I got them with the plans of starting to do horse logging with them. I’m having a slow start to it, I’d like to save some money up because I’m sure I’m in for a rough start and a lot of learning.

At the end of the day if you could work horses for someone I think that would be a good start but if you want to learn how to do something you can find out something in time. I’d find a solid team when you buy your first team or horse. I’ve started to really watch how the horse acts in pasture, when your harnessing them, when they are in harnesses. I’ve learned that horses and read your emotions like a book and if you get grumpy with they it normally makes it worse. My big gelding is really touchy, if you work him single he isn’t really confident and you always have to talk to him and pet him and tell him hes doing good or he needs to calm down. I call him Princess cause hes like a little girl… dancing around and reminds me of my niece’s cause I always have to tell them what to do cause their not sure.

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same thing with this. Its a joke. I think the feds have things to do with all this ” bigger” stuff. When my mom and dad first got their farm a guy stopped out and asked if he ever thought about adding on, he said well it would be nice to have a little calf barn on the one side he was thinking like 10 by 15, lean too. they said ok, left made a drawing of it came back, it wasn’t just an addition, it was a WHOLE new barn. They would gave him all the money he wanted to build a whole new barn, but wouldn’t do anything for a 10×15 addition on the on end of it. it would been 2 pens splitting it in half.

The farm/trucking outfit I work for now I would say have at least 6 million in their buildings for cattle. they just spend 500K on a new calf barn and I don’t really think its that great. As long as the bank knows they have your debt they are happy cause they will jerk you around like no tomorrow.

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Donn, You don’t have any close ups of what it all takes as far as details on the tractor pto carts do you? My boss has about 8 farmall M’s up on a hill that are sinking in to the ground, he also has a JD A and two ford 8 or 9n’s maybe they are 2n’s not really sure.

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I own a 3 point mounted wood splitter that I use with my 70, runs off the hydro, I’d like to get it with a small engine so that way I can get it in places a little better and not have to rely on a tractor to run it.

My work has picked up for my truck side of things. We got 3 ex county snow plow trucks that will get cut and stretched in to chopping trucks for self propelled chopping. and one for a liquid manure truck. I have my fair share of junked trucks to strip down to build theses new trucks.

Is there any way I could cut woods for on lots and not have insurance? If I tell the land owner I’m not insured I’m just there to harvest and they have to sell the wood to the mill on their own would that work?

Spring is starting to show its face a little around here haven’t had the -20*f in a while, starting to get mid 30’s and 40’s now. I’ve been thinking about putting an add out for food plots and gardens and using my horses, I only had one issue I don’t really know whats a fair price because I’m sure you can rent a rototiller for about 75 a day and I’d need more than that depending on how far and how big it was. If you factored in the person working its time at $10 an hour it come out to be about a 160 dollar day.

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is there any reason you didn’t make a trike front end on it so you wouldnt used the huge shafts? in case you’d want to run with 4 some unknown reason? how does it balance?

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The 336 does have a kicker on it but it does not work, something is wrong with the tripping part of it. haven’t really looked in to all I know is you can hit the lever to trip it and it works, let the bale hit it and it doesn’t, by hitting the lever I mean manually.

I used my 49 farmall H last year baling hay and that seemed to handle it just fine. I was in 2nd or 3 depending on the size of the windrow.

I know that I’ll end up wanting to add more thing to the whole power cart idea but I think if I ever built one with a 3 point on it I would make it a 3 wheel set up

Would you be able to take big rig truck rear end and take the yoke off it and have it have a pto shaft and have that work for a ground cart? have one that has a locking diff I dont know what kind of gears you would need if it would even work. just a thought I had pop in my head cause I’ve been taking trucks apart

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cool beans, that the AC rear end pto cart?

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What tender to you use Don

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Well being its a logging arch I was gonna make a little platform and put a motor under where ibsit with a pto then have it so I have to take a few bolts out and my power set up would come out and I could go logging. I dont really know what size motor I would use just yet. I have a old brigs 16.5 hp motor in a lawn mower from around 2000ish, it is in a mtd ranchking there was also a guy on Craig’s list with a Wisconsin motor that had a pto and clutch built in a housing was from the military I guess thought of buying something like that how many hp would a feller need if I got a haybine it would also run that.

Don if the tounge weight was a little heavy is there anything I could do to make it balance out? I should be able to take the horses off the cart and not have the pole go up in the air not?

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What was the drying time between them both haybine vs sickle mower

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I know I talked with you about this on the phone a little bit but I forgot to ask if it would help students in any special degree’s or would it just be a class they could take like a work shop type deal for fun?

I know you work at UWRF but do you have any ties lets say with UWEC? or other UW around here that you could also pull students from those UW’s and kind of work together. I know that UWRF in really big horse school, I never knew that UWEC had any sort of horse stuff but apparently they have some hunter jumper riding team or something like that.

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