Looking for tractor mounted Knuckle-boom for small yard machine….

[Carl Russell]

Thanks guys. This has given me good feed-back. The JD 1010 already has a Gearmatic winch and attachments on it. The winch is junk, and while it could be repaired, will probably never add to my operation the way a loader could. As far as I know, at least from the owner’s manual, the same attachments are designed for the appropriate sized back-hoe unit. Based on that, I also assume that some modification can be made to attach one of these smaller knuckle-booms in a similar way, obviously stabilizers would need to remain included. Right now the only hydraulics on there are for the blade, which might not provide adequate flow for the loader, so I would need to also consider a PTO attachment for a pump on the loader units itself.

Anyway, I have moved a lot of logs by hand, and never had a crawler, or any other piece of equipment on the job for 25 years, but now that I do, I feel like I need to make the rig as versatile as the animals are. I am liking the forwarder wagon more and more, but I am not convinced that I want my horses to be hauling extra steel back and forth in the woods. If I use the motor to load logs in the woods, then unload by hand, or vice versa, then I think my investments will pay better dividends.

And as has been mentioned, stacking on small landings, sorting product, and general loader hydraulic work, will be a great advantage.

On the brain-radar, now we’ll see where it goes.

Any further feed-back and experiential guidance is welcome.

Carl

[irish]

Carl Simon has a horse drawn forwarder, and this sound more like what you want they can have driven wheels to aid the horses but Simon will know more than me on this mater as he operates these all the time
http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?3767-swedish-equipment-short-wood-method

[Carl Russell]

@irish 40369 wrote:

Carl Simon has a horse drawn forwarder, ….

Thanks, I am in conversation with him regularly about that. As I said, I think it is a waste of animal power to carry that extra steel (the loader) around when their power can be applied to paying cargo instead. I really like the S5V that he uses without the loader, and think that it, or something like it, would work great with a separate mobile loader unit, especially in the team-size.

Anyway, you can see where my mind is going….:rolleyes:(watch out it’s loose again)

Carl

[irish]

carl i am in a similar situation, as i am looking for a tractor based forwarder for our farm but was going to have to get some one in with a horse for some of our blocks anyway, but picked up a kombi drag and arch so will get a horse as well as it has other benefits as well, but still need to get a forwarder but now not sure what to get. as they need to complement each other, and have capacity for transporting timber back to the yard from small blocks but still work in the woods

[Michel Boulay]

Forgot about those little trailers, first time I saw them, I thought it would be a nice little project to build, still thinking about it. Really like them,went on there web site and they don’t seem to load them up to much. Would like to see a load like you have on your scoot Carl plus a team pulling and see how it goes. I think your on to a great idea. Probably could have them made and be more versitile for your needs.:rolleyes:

Mike

[Carl Russell]

I am trying not to go down the building one myself road. I would love to get these rigs imported. They are very expensive, plus the import fee, but they workmanship and design is exceptional. http://www.osterbysmedja.se/english/waggons/models.htm

I agree Mike, I am not sure about the capacity, but they seem like they could easily haul 600-700 bf with a team. I just wish I could play with one. Simon has suggested I visit to lay my hands on one, but I may be too impatient.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

@Carl Russell 40375 wrote:

…. They are very expensive, plus the import fee, but the workmanship and design is exceptional. ….

Or should I say, they are not “CHEAP CRAP”…. quotes from the builder Morgan Anderson. I don’t know what the import fees would be like, but in comparison to loader mounted models on this continent, they are not priced out of reason.

Carl

[Michel Boulay]

I agree they are not CHEAP(11000$US), but I do agree also they are well built and not CRAP. I’ve looked up there site more than once and like what they do, compact, ease of handleling… A lot of the time building is more of trial and error and time consuming before we hit it right on, and here all of that is done for you, just pay the money. Over here a bit more money and you’ve got the loader with it, definitly food for thaught. Hard to put everything in words on a forum:rolleyes:. I still like the challenge of building one though.
Went to that farm mech. show yesterday, Anderson, Wallenstein and Woody loaders there, small and mid size. The Anderson had a price of 14500$ loader+trailer, the Woody I was quoted for 8000$ for loader only both 11.5 feet reach. I’m sure prices can vary on the less side here. Talk to one of the dealers about your dozer+loader hook up, since there is a winch there the dozer must be reinforced in that area and then it would be to figure out how to hook the loader, the boom would have to swing up front for transport, maybe not???

Priced some tires & rims for the SV5, wasn’t sure the size they had on, but on sale 80$. Could go with smaller ones, didn’t check load on tires though. Brain storming here.:rolleyes: Let us know what is going on Carl.

Mike

[Scott G]

Carl, here are some pics of a small-scale pulp operation with the configuration you’re possibly looking for.

http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?12720-Pulpwood-Logging-Equipment-Old-School-Style

Expecting to get another 20″ on the ground tonight/tomorrow. Loving it!

[Andy Carson]

Thinking outside the box a bit here.
What about parbuckling the logs onto a trailer/wagon with a winch? It could be an electric winch powered from either a generator or off the tow vehichle. Not as fast as a hydraulic loader, I am sure, but it is light and cheap and also capable of heavy work. Is this too slow of a process to be worthy of serious consideration?

Here’s a video (although I am pretty sure most know what I am talking about anyway)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T9dz-lvMY

[Carl Russell]

@Scott G 40389 wrote:

Carl, here are some pics of a small-scale pulp operation with the configuration you’re possibly looking for.

http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?12720-Pulpwood-Logging-Equipment-Old-School-Style

Expecting to get another 20″ on the ground tonight/tomorrow. Loving it!

DUDE!!!;)

That’s it….. although I don’t expect to be hauling, but it could apply. I bet that Gafner would snap right on….. I’ll have to see what’s out there.

40º’s here this weekend.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

@Countymouse 40390 wrote:

Thinking outside the box a bit here.
What about parbuckling the logs onto a trailer/wagon with a winch? It could be an electric winch powered from either a generator or off the tow vehichle. Not as fast as a hydraulic loader, I am sure, but it is light and cheap and also capable of heavy work. Is this too slow of a process to be worthy of serious consideration?

Here’s a video (although I am pretty sure most know what I am talking about anyway)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T9dz-lvMY

There’s no doubt that can be very effective.

What I am faced with is an good old piece of internal combustion equipment that sits around a lot. If it were outfitted with a hydraulic knuckleboom loader it would have many valuable uses on the farm and in the logging business. If it doesn’t work out, then I will keep parbuckling, or I’ll build a side-jammer.

Carl

[Michel Boulay]

Great for you Carl! I couldn’t imagine nobody ever trying some sort of hook up like that, matter of time that somebody came up with pics. Way to go Scott! 😎

We’re in the sun today 2 degrees C. Northeast wind up to 50 KM.

Mike

[Andy Carson]

Again thinking outside the box.
If you fixed your winch, it could be used with an A-frame setup similar to a side jammer to load logs. The sidejammer looks cheap to make and you don’t have to haul it back and forth with every trip (this seemed to be a goal). It might be cheap to fix the winch, and if the sidejammer setup is an acceptable substitute for a hydraulic loader than it might be a good way to go. Still lets you load logs with your crawler… It seems a lot would depend on just how much faster a loader is than a sidejammer-type setup and how much these two setups cost (including maintainence, etc). I can’t even intellingently guess at these numbers.

[Carl Russell]

I am not actually trying to figure out how to lift logs, I can do that many ways. I am trying to find ways to make my crawler more versatile. Having the winch functional, may improve it some, but what I want to do is mount a knuckle-boom loader on it to take advantage of the hydraulic capacity to not only lift logs, but to accomplish many other tasks as well. It is a project to amortize the cost of operations and maintenance over more applications.

Just thoughts at this point.

Carl

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