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oh, sorry, just clicked myself, and it doesn’t.

anyway, here are some pictures

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nevermind what i’ve said, oldkat has waaaaay more experience, so listen to him. i’m happy to learn, too.

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about halter breaking… after she becomes approachable, first you put the halter on, just the halter, and let her go with the daily routine. she will, i guess, settle in soon, and pay no attention to the halter. also, try to couple the introduction to the halter with something nice, give her a treat.
put on the halter every day until she pays no att. to it.
after that phase tie a rope to the halter and let it drag on the ground. after she gets used to it, hold the rope while going to the pasture.
i have no idea, however, how to make her respect the halter. the cattle follow the halter because they think halter is stronger than they.

maybe get her to a place she’s never been to, like a forest, and then walk around? she’ll ask for your lead.

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how about setting a routine? she will feel safer if she knows the daily routine.
also, you’re lucky to have goats. she will bond with them, and learn to trust their judgement. if at that point your goats are tame and approach you easily, she will learn you are no threat.
also, while handling her, don’t make sudden movements, and be laid back. cattle are very perceptive, and they’ll feel tense if they figure out you’re tense. cattle are prey animals, and the predator is tense while hunting… also, lead the herd if possible, don’t drive them. talk to her in a calm voice, for her to get used to your voice. avoid eye contact, that’s how predators act.
and be patient.
i’d improvise like that…:D

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you can hang them on the yoke, as it’s customary in my region.

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does anyone know how to put together a cart as this one?
http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/28/196/300.jpg

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thank you! yes, i meant a brake, not break….:D
i’m interested in such wagons because i’ve seen such design made of steel with modern wheels.

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@Tim Harrigan 8370 wrote:

Bivol, great links! Really good stuff. These are some of the best pictures and descriptions of small-scale hay making that I have seen. And I had never considered the romantic possibilities that were pointed out by Andrei. Thanks.

glad you liked them! but do check out the rest of the page too, it’s really good! just finished going through it. i’ll let you all know if i find anything else!

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breaking mechanism.;)

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@Robert MoonShadow 8357 wrote:

“Thou shalt not anger dragons… for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.” 😮

this reminds me of our, similar one: “don’t poke the she-bear!”

… i wonder why!:rolleyes: 😀

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@Tim Harrigan 8362 wrote:

Bivol: Thanks for the nice translation and interesting story. I particularly liked the picture of hauling hay up the mountain road on a sled, it looks like something I would be doing (minus the mountain).

I have been trying to gather information about traditional, small-scale hay handling and drying systems like I saw when I lived in Switzerland many years ago, such as the Heinzen and Reuters systems that were common there and in Germany, and likely still are in some places. Mostly they were small stack methods to get the hay off the ground and up where it would dry in the cool and damp mountain air before being taken to a more permanent storage structure. Are you aware of such traditional methods of making hay in your country?

well, concerning the hay, i don’t know much yet, but i do know that with different, and climate, different drying and stacking techniques are used.

this is one technique of drying the grass to hay. they are stacked on poles to dry. i don’t know much about the amount of rainfall in the region, but it’s done like so. it’s in Croatia.

also, try this link
http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/Haystacks/

this one should be interesting, too. it’s about farming in romania, but it also has a section about putting up a haystack
http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/Romania/Farming/Farming.htm

this was all i could find at first shot, the subject clearly demands more thorough approach.

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well, tell me which, i can give it a try!

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i absolutely agree with you, Carl!
in a civilized atmosphere this online community will thrive the most!
and btw. this is the forum i enjoy the most, not just because the subject, but also because to the politeness of the members!:)

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@Carl Russell 8270 wrote:

I am less concerned about something as you describe, as it is a reference to something that is already circulating from someone else, and it is directly related to what we are all about. The only problem that we may want to work to avoid is people getting too judgmental and/or defensive. We all are allowed to have our own judgments and prejudices, but we don’t have to get too onerous about them on this site. I think discussions about these types of issues are appropriate, and timely, as long as we can maintain some civility.

Carl

i agree, but will not posting it on youtube cause people, who don’t know much about working with draft animals, to start thinking that all working animals are abused, although that is, as you all know, a gross lie!

personally, i’m more concerned about posting the clips on youtube, than linking them on this forum. although i will point out that not all oxen are treated that way and that in the vids there is unnecessary cruelty.
but to be honest, i first have to get my hands on the documentary.

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hi there!

now, there are rules considering

5) No offensive posts, links or images. Staff will decide what is appropriate and what is not. Although we fully respect your rights for freedom of expression we also hold a line at content that is ocscene, hateful, violent, sexually oriented, discriminatory, unlawful, racist or in general poor taste. Again, staff will decide what is appropriate and what is not.

now, animal abuse can be interpreted as one example of bad taste, violent or obscene. and i 100% agree.
what i would like to ask is it ok to post a link from youtube (isn’t there yet, but if i can i’ll put it) showing a part from the documentary movie shot in bosnia. it’s about loggers who use oxen, and both man and beast are pushed to their limits to survive against modern competition.
while it does show the authentic insight in the lives of the people, it is also disturbing in showing how harshly they treat their oxen. for example, they whip them every few meters. as a person knowing a little about oxen, i know this kind of treatment is unnecessary. but this, aside of its documentary value, can clearly be described as animal abuse. is it ok if i post it? or morever, is it ok to disturb the peace on this forum with such a violent material? yes, it does make me sick!

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