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hey that’s really similar to swiss/german 3-pad collar! good job!
bivolParticipantlooks nice Rod!
tell us your experiences of working with it. i’m interested to learn how the oxen adjust to this system.
bivolParticipanthi!
before i start addressing the horse fact sheet i would like to say a few words about the envorment in which these horses lived. balkan region is mountainous, often not so fertile, except the valleys.
the posavian horse is a result of introducing arabian (less) and draft horse blood to indigenous population of horse inhabiting the alluvial plain of sava river.
the posavian today can still live on the pasture, and this type of keeping stops it from growing too big.the horses upon whom the improvement were started did not belong a distinct breed, and had various local types.
the indigenous horse came to by crossing horses available from the bronze and iron age with steppe horses of the the conquering peoples.
as a rule, they were small, tough, enduring, could live on maegre rations all the time. they were weather resistant. they were used for packing riding army service and were to the common people the only type of horse available.anyway, the posavian is now a different breed than the bosnian pony or mountain horse. the latter is smaller and with more arabic blood in them, and as a general rule foremost a pack horse.
posavian
14 hh
about 450 kilos
calm and obedient temperament, but hard workers.
January 10, 2009 at 7:15 pm in reply to: vid of horses packing wood out of forest in balkanian mountain #49046bivolParticipanti’m really glad you all liked it!
yes, they DID jump-start a fully laden tractor! this footage shows what incredible strength a horse can exert
i think the strength of these horse can be derived from their level of training, and above all from their conditioning: they are working every day, all year-round!
if i find any other potentially interesting footage, i’ll post it!
bivolParticipantglad you are intrested!
they are from croatia, where i live. they are known to have calm and loving natures. historically they were, and are, kept in flooded pasture and have learned to graze under water. they just close their nose and submerge the head! they can stay on pastures all year. in case of a storm they group heads in and hind end out. AND they can withstand dog and wolf attacks!
although they are primarilly used as a draft breed in the plains they are actually a vertisale breed, used to pack wood out of steep terrain in mountainous areas.
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….and are good at it!
i read a story a string of pack horses (not sure if it were posavians though, could have also been the tough and sure footed bosnian mountain horses) carried out such loads as seen down along an 80% steep woodland and none of the horses tripped. no need for mules here!
they sure can take a load. anyway, every trunk is every bit as heavy as it looks, i’ve lifted them back when we had wood heating.
anyway the job of packing the wood out of inaccesable areas is considered (by people who did both) to be the hardest and most dangerous after mining. we are talking about mining in bosnia, balkans, though…if you are intrested in more of the indigenous balkanian horse breeds i’ll be glad to post what i know!:D
bivolParticipantthank you for the explanation, but what i meant under how to teach them was what do i have to do to teach them commands. step-by-step explanation.
bivolParticipantposavian horse, definitly. they are powerful, hardy, easy to maintain, can be outside all year round, and have calm tempers.
bivolParticipant😀 don’t worry, it happens!
bivolParticipanthi!
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well there are blueprints for a neck yoke at tillers international, and if you could persuade a carpenter or someone skilled with woodworking to make one it should be fine. the frame is the easy part;the bows are a problem.
one tip though; if you are making an american bow, or neck yoke, make the bows of iron or steel. they are stronger and more durable than wooden bows, and i think easier and more foolproof to make.
the wooden bows need to be steamed and bent, you need special equipment for that, and the wood can snap in process, leaving you to try again.
also, a neck yoke, if preserved good can last a lifetime, but its wooden bows can’t, so you are looking at improvising making them every x years or so.as for steel bows, go to a blacksmith or a forge. bent steel pipes also work great.
anyway here are a few links on the subject:
http://www.iscowp.org/Ox%20Power/HOW%20TO%20MAKE%20A%20YOKE_copy(1).htm
http://www.singingfalls.com/gallery_oxen/oxen_gallery.html
these are yokes with steel pipes for bowssolution#2
you could also make an upgraded whitters yoke. works just fine.
here are some pictures.
good points are that there are no bows and thus no fuss with bending the wood, or steel pipes.
on the bad side there are no blueprints, so you’ll have to improvise.important: if you are making an american neck yoke, the neck seat( the touching surface of yoke and neck) MUST be as smooth as possible, because this yoke rocks back and forth. in dr. conroy’s book it is said it must be as smooth as glass.
good luck!
hope i could help!bivolParticipanthi!
glad you all like it!
yep these oxen are indigenous european breed. they have absolutely no bos indicus blood, but do have some romagnola blood, even if only a bit. in 19th century the attempt was made to “improve” the breed by crossing with other breeds, but it was quickly discarded because the crossbred animals were inferior to the purebred ones in working performance, stamina, longevity and resiliance.
this breed is i think by far the most docile of all podolian breeds.bivolParticipantyes i have but i’m one lazy man+technology isn’t my strong point. but don’t worry i’ll have it in a month
bivolParticipantis it possible to have a bull, through much handling and lots of dominance, never realize its power. or that he is led to believe humans are way too dominant to take on? i mean, if you let it run on the pasture with cows and other critters he realizes he can dominate them. so, it’s only a matter of time before he thinks he can dominate humans.
in bullfights in bosnia bulls have no nose rings and the animals are led by a rope around the horns. the rope horn system was criticized by drew conroy as the animal having too much power over the human, but i never heard of such a bull injure a person… it’s probably because the handling starts early, and because bulls used in bullfighting are trained and prepared like athletes, which includes special diet, running, etc. with trainers.
most bulls live their lives either alone in stall or in pastures, and are not handled enough, i think. combine with high testosterone, and you got an unreliable animal, no matter the nose ring.bivolParticipantwell here’s a video from a bull in bosnia. the bull is mature and does not have a nose ring. he is used for korida, i.e. bull vs. bull fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Lip_InlZ4&feature=relatedbivolParticipantwell, you could use them in a head yoke and so unable them to go an you while you’re working. also, use nose-rings.
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