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Got some videos on le charrue brabant
ParticipantSorry , man, I totally forgot about your trip. I did find a horsefarmer in France who speaks english. Tried to phone him all morning but no results. So i sended him a mail, hoping he will response to it.
Just to get you started some french websites about drafthorses. Send me a personel mail so contarcts can be more direct.http://www.hippotese.free.fr
http://www.france-trait.fr
http://www.cheval-de-trait.fr
http://www.traitdegenie.fr
http://www.trait-actif.org
http://www.cheval-de-trait.org
http://www.prommata.orgParticipantDo you or your girlfriend speak french
Henk
ParticipantMy grandparents raised their family with products of this small farm,
My parents raised their children with products of this small farm,
My wife and I raised our children with products of this small farm,
We are providing products for our grandchildren from this small farm,
But now the government says that this small farm is endangering public health ,
How can that be?Henk
Participantin the book an introduction to animal husbandry in the tropics of G. Williamson & W.J.A. Payne , second edition, is a chapter on a single headyoke at page 454.
New book is over 200 dollars. So there should be another way to get a copy of the two pages.Henk.
ParticipantWould be very interesting for this side of the ocean too. Would be glad to assist as much as I can.
HenkParticipantAndy,
You are talking about some kind of implement as the polynol of prommata.
There is a weeding device for it that could work easily, if you could control your bullocks from behind.Henk.
ParticipantHow many acres do you want to cultivate in one day?
ParticipantSomewhere in Oxen there is a picture of a farmer plowing with a three abreast in collar harnesses.
Henk.November 6, 2012 at 9:03 pm in reply to: Source for Rolf Minhorst "Modern Harness for Working Cattle" #75455ParticipantI iasked him if he is selling a pdf of his book.
Henk.
ParticipantHi, guys. Happy to hear that prommata is moving on a little to the USA.
The book is written in 1986 and there are no chapters on the kassine in it as the kassine was constructed after 1991.
I am intending to meet some of the guys from Prommata coming May somewhere in France during a draft horse meeting.
A more or less complete set of the Kassine would cost at this moment around $5000 and i think that you can build them a lot cheaper in the USA.
It would be a great help if you could come up with a number of persons who would be willing to become a member of a USA-prommata. Maybe DAP can take this up.
Let me know if I can assist you in anyway as I will be in Europe this summer.Henk de Mink.
Participant@jac 17283 wrote:
Simon am I right in saying that the Dutch draft is the modern name for what was known as the Flanders horse ?? If so then these were the horses that the Duke of Hamilton imported to Scotland to effectively start the Clydesdale breed in the 1700’s. The Friesian played a part to.. I ask because I am considering an out cross and wondered if CPL is an issue on the continent ? also we have a friend interested in bringing a quarter horse into Scotland..
JohnIf you want to get off the cpl issue you most certainly don’t want to use any Brabant, dutch draft or Trait du Nord. You will hardly find a draft with in the herdbook older that 10 caused by CPL.
The usa and canadian belgians are from importations before 1913 when the europian ones still had little or no feathers.Henk.
ParticipantThis was at the news overhere too. Showed how wastefull we actual are. But..
A trail in Sweden during more tham 30 years showed that no fertilizers and only manure and covercrops produced 2 % less than farming with fertilizers. Question is do the expenses for phosfor justify the increase of the production.Just before the first world war in south of France Mister Jean farmed for over thirty years without plowing, without manure, without fertiliser, without covercrops. He sold everything from his crops, including his straw and his yields were at the same level as of his neighbors. In 1913 on his 50 acres they did trail with 3 bags of fertilizers, distributed in bands across his fields. Person from the unerversity of Bordeau could not find any results in the use of fertilizers on his field nor on his yields.
You can’t earn any money on not selling fertizers, so the compagnies won’t advertise with the results of Mister Jean.
Among others Prommata is still promoting the “Methode Jean”.
Futhermore look at Paul Stamets’s books and you mat find part of the sollution for this events.Henk.
ParticipantRobert, There is no translation of this book. As far as my information goes, if we want it translated we will have to do it ourselves. When we could get a group of people together to form a sub division of Prommata, they ight be willing to non financal aid as much as possible.
If you can’t figure what the drawings ean I can try to translate that part for you. Just send a mail.Henk
ParticipantHi D. Todd Newlin,
I am from the Netherlands in Europe. In the past most farmers worked with a single horse, bullock or cow. A pair of horses was only usefull, when your farm was big enough.
With a single horse they cultivated 20 acres under the plow. The man reason for the use of a single horse was that a horse could only be used for fieldwork and had no milkproduction.
Uptill 1955 there were many firms building single horse implements. Today they are almost all gone, but with the new idea’s some persons are trying to built new one horse implements.
http://WWW.PROMATTA.ORG is building and futher develloping implements that requiere low draft. For there smallest implement you only need a donkey of 12 feet.
Next year in fall I hope to built some of there implements in WA. If you want any photo’s to get an idea what was built in the past, please send a mail.Henk de Mink.
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