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not bad, but one could have a regular small thresher and power it with this .

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@near horse 18240 wrote:

Has anyone purchased one of the Lister “knock offs”? Did it seem to be satisfactory? There are a lot of small farm machines being produced in developing countries (nobody in the west seems to find it worthwhile) – hate to waste money on junk though.

it’s definitely no junk, but it IS expensive investment. on the other hand, it will work for (at very least) the next 30 years on whatever, veg oil, no matter the oil prices, and power lots of stuff.
there have been reports from India of these engines running 24/7 for 40 years, they even changed the oil while engine was working.

there are a few guys on the net who wrote about the engines they bought from India. they seemed to be satisfied with the quality. these engines are made to last, and are SIMPLE, massive and heavy, so the quality shouldn’t be a problem.

i heard from india there’s more reliable good quality, from china it was a bit of a mix, but i don’t know how it’s now. there are two types: one cylinder 6 HP, and twin cylinder 12 HP.

anyway, they got them from india.

anways, some links, do read, it’s a load of useful info: here’s a guy that bough an engine from india, entire story, on blog, plus some vids,

check around, FAQ and all, it provides good quality info!

AND good ideas, check out here, the fellow put the engine on a little wagon so it’s a movable generator set… or power-whatever-you-need set?

Marko

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when said that a lister can power a baler, that is true, if a few considerations are taken:

1. the baler has to be big enough – listers are big heavy cast-iron machines, so the baler has to be strong enough to support them

2. the engine has to be balanced – a balanced lister runs without any notable shaking, while the unbalanced shakes or even dances about while working. this isn’t good, but can be tolerated when the engine is on the ground. but lots of shaking could destroy a baler.

3. cooling – the engine needs proper cooling that is light enough, best an automotive radiator with an electric fan

4. air filters – for dust on the fields, car air filter for a sufficient displacement.

5. connecting the engine – with belts, old-style broad belts, or new rubber car-type engine belts.

if you do this all, no reason why a lister on a baler wouldn’t work.

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@OldKat 17385 wrote:

bivol; I read somewhere that the very first diesel engines were designed to run on vegetable oil rather than petroleum diesel. Interesting engine. I was wondering the same thing that jac asked; would it work on a baler?

he everyone!

it’s been a while, so i’ll try to answer.

Jac: yes, they can power a hay baler. in fact, most of the older farm equipment had a lister or a similar diesel to power them, usually by a belt.
you can use them for anything you need power for.

you’d have to see about:

1. transmision of power

2. keeping gthe RPM high enough. listers have splach lubrication, so going
below 300 RPMs is not so good.

3. as vegetable oil is more viscous (flows harder, a bit like honey, compared to diesel), it may bave to be warm for starting the engine.

OldKat, you’re right, originally it was made to run on vegetable oil. some say coconut oil, but there would coconut oil be found in late 19th cent in germany? still, it gets the point across, it was made to burn oil.

dad worked his 30+ year old lister on oil and what-not, and it tucked away, and still does!:D

and since we’re talking sustainable (and local grown) power, maybe a lister running on woodgas could interest you.
woodgas, or producer gas, is produced from wood burning wothout oxigen in a gasifier. anywqay, the gas is then filtered, to remove all the tars and impurities, cooled and piped to a regular internal-combustion engine to power it. principles are here.

for gasoline engine there are only minor carbeurator adjustments needed, but for a diesel engine running purely on woodgas, you need to put in a spark-plug.

here’s the video!

some guys have even made a series of vids about the conversion! you gotta love the internet!

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hi!

it’s been a while, so

1.
i’ve found a good video of a man from bosnia plowing alone guiding his oxen from the plow. the lends himself and oxen for plowing for a daily fee. he is the only person in the vicinity who still uses oxen to plow, he lives in the upper Tuzla region, and is busy because people still prefer to have their fields plowed with oxen as opposed to tractors!:eek:

here is the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyRr2OXQiE&feature=player_embedded

and here is the team

MOVING THE HOUSE

this is a stunning footage of yokes of oxen moving a big house up the hill! one video that truly captures the strength of these animals!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMorzt54gQ

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i tiped the same message as below, so i erased it.

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Simpsons are great! a classic:D, but this is a little single cartoon, not a whole series, so it’s a different class. the gems of eastern european animation were mostly such one-shot cartoons.

the best thing is that the work in a single cadre was already tried by an animator here some 40(?) years ago, also crackin, but i’ll have to get that track and upload it!

glad you liked it!

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he he, no problem, taken as a compliment!:D

but this is how people, esp. here in the balkans, “see”, say, cows and dogs: cows are big, slow, and the dog is “designed for a mater of chain” (sadly, i know), and constantly barking.
in a sense this could be an introduction to the customs…

that cat-crow part must have been a bit weird, but it’s crackin to me… wouldnt be in real life, but in a cartoon oh yes!

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i’m sorry for your loss!

a wonder how much “simple” oxen can do and mean for a community!

and i hope Ike can handle it, despite his new company, they’ve been together all their lives and i know Ike can right feel Buck missing!

bone cancer is terrible, at least he died painlessly! it may be harsh, but at least he didn’t feel pain, that’s good!

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does it say”for my family”? that exact phrase?

because that would mean that, even if you give someone else the task of caring for pigs (say, a farmer), as long as they are in your legal possession(you owner), and you intend to use them as your food, it doesn’t matter where or by whom they are raised.

just idea though!

be sure to check out the exact phrase, it all about that, law avoidance!:D

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back to pig bussiness;
i guess it’s a legal issue. now, my own legal system is quite different, but i’ll try to help, maybe we think of some good idea. the point with interpreting laws is that one can’t add or take away something that is(n’t) in the law.
while interpretation in the spirit of the law (common to the common law countries) may widen the law effect a bit, it can’t be streched beyond what says in the text.

i’v seen some good ideas so far, mine is similar; it’s all about getting AROUND the law, not through it, and testing just how far you can go, IF it’s worth it, i mean if there isn’t TOO MUCH beareauraucracy and costs at one end or punishment on the other…

i particulary like like Domeniquer’s idea; if there’s about raising, what does “raising” define? taking care of the animal? meaning personally? or by a payed person? how long?
theoretically they can “buy” pigs on your farm, and you can “raise” them for xxx family a few days by them delegating the care to you, like in a contract. in a sense they own the pig, but delegate you to take care of them. raising? could be… :confused:

does it say for home consumption? what would mean a pig i own gets consumed by me doesn’t have to pass the control. it doesn’t say that pig has to live on my property, and be personally looked after by me…

or bartering would be a good idea; but bartering for the whole thing; pigs and kill. the costumers do a (fictional) bussiness of bartering, say, gasoline, for the pigs, and later they buy their gasoline off you, for cash ofcourse!

just a few ideas, but since i’m not familiar with common law, i can’t help much.

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@CharlyBonifaz 17070 wrote:

I always claim, we sent whomever we couldn’t use here to Brussels, now they turn back on us 😮
Bivol, you’re not alone in this……if it weren’t so bad, one could laugh about it

thanks Elke!

i’m glad other people share out opinions! whenever someone here wants to point at potentially negative sides of joining, he is always silenced for breeching the “goal doctrine”! needless to say any remotelly constructive debate about EU membership was never led, they desperately need the masses to stay stupid, because they’re smart enough to know you can’t manipulate smart people as you wish!

it’s funny, the naivety of people here who honestly think all their problems will be solved just by entering!
it’s just too funny!!

it’s still not that bad, since the entire legislature isn’t synchronized yet, but unfortunately we have the benefit of “particulary dim-witted” politicians, or at least more than usual in older democracies… luckily they have something better to do right now, like saving the country from the greek scenario…ney, saving themselves….

one good thing is there though, anti-GMO laws. our politicians are like a yubox; insert a coin, and they play what you click! luckily there’s s the EU (anti)GMO law, no insign thing, but that’s it… no other.

it was originally a thread about pigs, and i’ve dirtied it with politics!
i’m sorry!

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here’s some more info:

two buffaloes in yoke were considered equal to three oxen
600 kg heavy buffalo can carry at least 250 kg weight during the 10 hour work day, traveling at 3 km/h speed.

they can be out on snow.
example from serbia

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@mitchmaine 17036 wrote:

bivol, i don’t think anyone in the gov’t (i.e. insurance companies) cares if you kill yourself, they just don’t want to have to care for you (spend money) if you live through the event. we have to get rid of insurance companies. if you think this is a free country, try riding on the roof of the bus with your chicken.

bout health care, we had a minister of health care, a doctor btw, who normally went abroad to treat himself, and got back. no scandal, ofcourse. he would have laughed at your face if you would have told him to resign.
so much about health care….

people today are told what to and what not to do, but even if that wasn’t so, i firmly believe that people know the line when something becomes too dangerous and don’t cross it. and they learn their children as well.

i used to go about on a bicycle around the city, and in the center where trams pass in the paved streets, i regularly used to grab a tram by the side and be pulled. i would grab it when it would be still, and as soon as it would begin to slow down, i’d let go and steer away and continue driving on my own.

and no, i didn’t wear a helmet.

BUT, i had a few rules:
1. always grab near the end, so if i stumble, i won’t fall under it
2. never be towed when another tram or car is behind
3. never be towed where i know there are bumpy roads

so people obviously make rules even when not regulated by the state, only giving them more freedom.

i mean, what kind of freedom is to put a paper in a box once every four years (with the same result!), when i can’t even bake rakija or kill a pig in my back yard? sure, standards have to be followed, and they will, but to forbid it entirely, that’s not good!

like when Romania entered EU, their government banned horse carts form the roads, and Romanian peasants depend on the horse carts. the government claimed horse carts are a cause of 10% of traffic accidents, but they failed to notice it was the cars that drove too fast. also, they obviously ignored that in America there is separate regulation of road speed for places with lots of horse carts, like where Amish live.

unfortunately, were more jepardized be our governments’s incompetence and wish to be “A greater catholic than the Pope”, than from the eu regulations.

this hyperregulation actually comes from the EU beaureaucracy, which is not only not elected by the public, but also, doesn’t have anything to do so it splurts out rediculous legislature, like “only the cucumbers of xxx size are to be considered and sold under cucumbers, all others can’t be sold.”

doesn’t it remind one of shutting a child away with the excuse “it’s for your protection”, and praying on his inheritance? sure does to me….

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LOL don’t you slowly get the idea that all that surplus state regulation is making people stupid? (i apologize for the word)

i mean, if people are left to their own devices, they can train their creativity and not rost.
100 years ago farmers used to put lift the back end of their Ford T off the ground, hake off the tire off, strap a belt to the rim, and power their farm equipment. now it would probably be illegal. people nowdays are surely not lacking in intelligence when compareed to 100 years? what does that tell me? overprotective parenting seldom produces capable children. like so, overprotecting state will, i’m afraid, choke the general creativity in people…:(

after living in a semi-regulated society before, i must say all that hyperregulation in my case coming from EU(like driving a bicycle with a helmet and only in approved ways) is ridiculous; i mean, if i want to get myself killed by doing something risky, who can stop me as if i were a child?

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