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  • in reply to: the single ox…again #47651
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    in reply to: the single ox…again #47650
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    @Rod 3801 wrote:

    Any idea where I could get a harness of that type or a better description/plan to make one?

    well, i know german and have searched for plans for making it but i found nothing… si you ll have to improvise. this type of yoke is basically a flat iron piece whose shape can be determined by looking at it, and padded with hard padding.

    its best to improvize. i think flatted 1″ steel pipe bent at the ends with holes drilled for holding padding should work good. put some padding, like a few layers of blanket or straw in cloth. ox’s forehead is the toughest place.
    or show a picture to a blacksmith and he’ll make the frame. than go to a saddler to put the padding. check out pictures on my previous post “the forehead yoke” for some details about design. good luck!

    marko

    in reply to: the single ox…again #47649
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    @Rod 3714 wrote:

    I took a look at those photos and made me wonder why the single ox has a wooden yoke at all, except for spreading the tugs away from the ox body. It seems the pad could do it all unless I am missing something.

    thank you all for showing such intrest…
    you’re absolutelly right Rod. the head is movable and there are no problems with size, yoke gall, gaining or losing weight, making bows… that’s more practical than any neck yoke to me…these pads were extensivelly used in europe. furthermore, i believe they are most practical on single ox. i think what can make people weary of such system is the fact that drew conroy in his book states that the forehead yoke causes skull damage. but i think he meant the wooden horehead yoke, with no padding between head and forehead.

    in reply to: three ox yoke #48188
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    in reply to: Harnessing the Powers of Youtube for Good #48062
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    in reply to: Baby Steps #48166
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    i dont have any trained cattle but wish you luck with your! keep control and cool head! keep us posted…

    in reply to: Harnessing the Powers of Youtube for Good #48061
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    there’s more!

    1)this is a video about ox-cart races in guadeloupe. the rule i know is that the driver is not allowed to use the whip more than twelve times on the beasts. by the way, these are bulls, and they are vigorously trained and put into shape for these races. they run and swim.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLTNKRQ9tr8

    2)this is a dutch video of cows yoked
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJm6wc6lQpA

    3)this is a portugese video. i’m intrested in their yoke design.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx9txJa0Q_8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCMkWu9yjqY

    4)a chinese video. best video on chinese cattle plowing i found so far.
    my nick on youtube is bluemoondiadochi
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Z78ofZqc4&feature=related

    5)…and beyond youtube! plowing in etiophia. note how well the oxen behave.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Z78ofZqc4&feature=related

    in reply to: columella, "de re rustica", on oxen #48134
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    thank you Carl! i really apreciate interest of people on this forum for what i have to offer!:D

    in reply to: Harnessing the Powers of Youtube for Good #48060
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    in reply to: Harnessing the Powers of Youtube for Good #48059
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    i know some videos, but now comes… i took about 20 min of oxen plowing footage this summer at the only oxen festival in croatia, st. jacob’s in kanfanar, so when i upload it you’ll know.

    in reply to: Goat Power #47924
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    driving goats with yoke can be tricky because of their size. if you want to use yoke it is very welcome to use a small wagon instead of cart. have seen goats in head yoke. you can use females ,or males, however, castrated males are strongest.

    in reply to: eastern ox-yoke: comfort and efficiency? #47100
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    they are basically bent wood, or iron, smoothed. i think the pictures offer enough detail. be creative, don’t let yourself be stopped just because there are no formal blueprints.
    although i don’t think it covers enough surface. as you know, the more touching surface a yoke has, the less pressure per square cm there is on the neck. such system DOES work, but it causes yoke gall. remember, the land in the east is often flooded rice field and as such more easy to plow.

    maybe you’d like this, it’s simple to make and much more effective. it’s been used in germany. i call it forehead strap. you can also use learher or padded cloth or car belt.

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    in reply to: horse questions #47764
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    thank you for your reply. well im from croatia, ex yugoslavia.
    we have few breeds of horses:

    1. murinsulaner.

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    a quality horse from the northen province. used for draft. was created from crossing indigenous warmblood mares with heavy draft horses, notably the noric horse. now critically endangered but there is a decent population in hungary.

    2.posavian horse.

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    this hardy horse has been traditionaly bred and kept in wetland pastures in the region around sava river. notable is that historical attempts of “improving” were countered by nature and life in his habitat. these horses were kept on pasture from the time the snow melted to the first snow. in winter they were kept on hay and corn straw. it is a compact and muscular horse. it is calm obedient and good-natured.
    if i would have a horse this would be my second choice.

    croatian coldblood

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    i must admit, it is wierd that a country of 4.5 million people has its own coldblooded horse. it is strong although smaller than a belgian or percheron. thay were used for logging and plowing and for hauling foodstuffs, from the agricultural areas around it to the capital Zagreb. another special trait is its colour. it can be twocolour. this breed is today among the most numerous horse breeds in croatia, counting above 1,500 horses.

    these are main horse breeds of croatia. we also have the local lipizzan variety, which is heavier than most lipizzan lines. thay were used by peasants and thiched in pairs to plow fields.
    than there is croatian warmblood, ugly as sinn. i swear i havent seen an uglier horse.
    we also have the croatian trotter.

    and last but not least, bosnian mountain horse (or pony). this is my first choice for horse. yes it originates in bosnia, but it is the hardiest horse in this area. it is used as draft, pack and ride animal. they are still used to pack firewood outside forests where machinery can’t go.

    they are about 13 h high, weight about 300-350 kilos, or about 700 pounds, can carry about 120 kilos or about 220 pounds. in fact, carrying such a load on mountain passed and coverind a set distance within a given time is a test for further breeding.

    i hope you enjoyed!

    in reply to: mules,horses which is better #44873
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    @Carl Byerly 154 wrote:

    You are asking an impossible question. One cannot say which is better, apples or oranges, and one cannot ask which is better, mules or horses. Only like items can be compared. It is a fallacy to think that one can do otherwise.

    actually they have enough in common to be able to compare some things.

    things like vet expences, food expences, purchase price, and productive life are all very measurable things. and most of them can be given in money value, and by simple calculation most can be said to go in favour of mule. most.
    whom you can handle better is another thing.

    mules are tougher- harder hooves, greater endurance, less health problems, live longer productive lives.
    mules can do and survive what would kill most horses. there is enough evidence of their superiority throughout history. the preferance of men for mules over horses in extreme working conditions (extreme weather, tough working conditions, irregular food and water, long working hours) is evidential through history.
    i’ll just say: 20-mule team, military mule wagons, g. washington,…

    horses can be forced to do something- mules cannot. if you use force on a mule, he wont forget and he won’t forgive you. furthermore, once abused mule can be ruined for life, meaning it will get back at you.unlike horses which can be made to work. and forgive you beating them.

    ofcourse, not all mules are fit to be good working animals. by that i mean their personality, which can be ruined by abuse. you have to watch out when buying mules, they may be drugged to be calmer.
    when buying your first team, buy older animals. the rule is the younger (or inexperienced) the teamster, the older the animals. older mules actually have considerable benifits: they are trained well, and know the routine of work.
    they are out of puberty, are calmer.
    mules 18-20+ can still do good work for farm.

    mathemathically, if you have enough patience and humor, and some luck, mules are better. you just get more service for your money. they work more, cost less in vet, if you can find a common language and persuade them to cooperate. if you can make them cooperate.

    in reply to: working mules with a wooden yoke #46973
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    true, mules and donk they don’t have arched necks at all.
    i doubt the yokes been used by farmers in poland, these were used in spain.

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