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Participantthere are not many members who have water buffaloes.
guess you’ll have to have a crash course, but don’t worry, the water buffalo calf is not much different than a cattle cart, just maybe gentler, and smarter, and more affectionate.
if wb bulls don’t need to be castrated to work, that says w buffaloes are a lot calmer, so there shouldn’t be any problems in training them.
about climate, yes, water buffaloes are more sensitive to cold, and have to be covered with blankets if they are out in cold. i saw them in Romania, in winter, waiting covered yoked to the cart.
to me, water buffalo is better than an ox. if i could get one, i’d pick him over an ox any time. i love cattle, and oxen, but water buffalo is my favorite.
Participantit could work, depending on the wood.
it was done in some parts of my country. saplings were steamed on brandy kettles until they were slump like electric cables, and put into the yoke to keep shapes.i never heard anyone complain about bows snapping. it was all told: “oh, you take a sappling, steam it until it is slump, and put it in the yoke…. why?”
like there was no problems associated with common wooden bows, snapping an all… so i think it’s definitely worth a try…
here’s the yoke with such bows, from bosnia, but using technology from croatian highlands bordering to bosnia.
about them, i made a liberal translation of the matter i asked the man i got in contact said:
“you can use hazel, ash, fiddle, but the best maple, and elm, they’re soft, take bark off. there’s no bending frame, you have to fit it for each of individually. usually they don’t snap, if it snaps, make another one, always have a spare one. just steam em well and it’ll bend easy…”
Participant@CharlyBonifaz 16720 wrote:
well, yes!
still admiring how they fitted those corners on the box
any idea what caused the straight grooves on the wheels? decay?probably yes. or mousture could uneven wheels, even if hardwood. this wagon was excavated from a tomb, and is 1200 years old…
honestly wonder if it still works?…:cool:
glad to hear you all like it!
Participantwatch for third team pulling:eek:
Participanthi Ixy!
hope you like the read!
nope, i haven’t heard about it, but it has goaded me into googling a bit, and this is what i’ve found:
http://www.baracoa.org/en/customs/the-custom-of-riding-oxen.htmlhttp://www.gallery.uyghuramerican.org/v/1943/People+riding+oxen+through+field.jpg.html
well, that’s about it for now! i hope i won’t tempt you into buying more!:p
Participantixy, from the little i red is that for traveling in unexplored inland in some cases oxen were well prefered to either horses or mules. some englishmen, who at first shunned the idea of riding oxen and instisted on horses were soon proven otherwise. because oxen they were tougher, stronger, and could take the hardships of traveling better.
there are descriptions of breaking them, etc..
Participant@Ixy 15148 wrote:
Bivol – is there anymor ein the book about ox travel? Is it worth me getting?
honestly, dunno.
i thinjk it’s not a book about oxen, oxen are just a part of his book about exploring(?) Africa. check it out in google books, maybe it could have something more of traveling on oxen in the book, they DID travel on oxen…Participanthi!
my favourit animal, the water buffalo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etd2whkVx0I
a real american buffalo, not a water one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17YtZXOme4M
the last vid is training a young water buffalo. now i don’t know what you’ll say, but these guys don’t seem too knowlegable to me, farmers or not.
or maybe i’m biased with western style training, but somehow i don’t see training process in which an animal lies down a productive one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1mlVdIBYfEParticipanttrue, true. still, i’ll leave it as an option until i prove it isn’t durable.
i can make it a two-layer, or inner layer really sturdy cloth, and the outer umbrella cloth…
Participantso, i presume leather is superior, but compared to the equipment you need for sew it, for umbrella you need just a common needle, so that’s a plus in my book.
the issue with it is only if it’s strong and durable enough, and comfortable, too.honestly, i doubt the durability part a bit, but otherwise i think id work.
Participant@Patrick 14810 wrote:
Airs above ground, I love it. You’re obviously a glass is half full kind of guy. I’d love to see them take your advice and try it again, and qualify for a Darwin Award, if the horse weren’t made to suffer for it.
Does anyone know where and when this video was shot?
by the cart design and names, i’d say Poland.
Participant@sanhestar 14801 wrote:
but if you don’t have access to leather how do you get access to such a sophisticated cloth?
You can get leather from curing hides of butchered animals and you basically need some chemicals and/or the animals brain, a scraping tool, some wood frames and/or smoke but to get wax cloth or other water-proof/water resistant cloth you need: fiber, a spinning tool, a weavers loom, a fuller (or fullers mill) and at last what ever is used to make the cloth water resistant – and I don’t know the process that is used to make f.e. Cordura or GoreTex cloth….
i do it by buying an umbrella and stripping its cloth parts, the one that protects people from rain. or i strip an old one.
an umbrella musn’t cost much, and a broken one can simply be taken, no money at all.good to know about making leather water-proof.
only, working with umbrella cloth is simpler to me because leather is harder to sew together and work with, and you just sew together umbrella cloth as if it were simple cotton.
also, stable man, good point about looking in e-bay, this source of cheap parts mustn’t be overlooked.Participantcollars as an alternative do have their appeal, especially to those with no experience in woodworking. but, they are for a fair part made of leather. not everyone has access to leathermakers, or the skill to make leather parts for the collar.
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i’ve thought cloth, but when it rains, it soakes the entire pad, including the straw inside, which can then get mouldy.
so the best thing i figured out was umbrella cloth: it’s light(too light?), smooth, but though, and above all, water-resistant. maybe multiple layers could work, but i don’t know how’s the air circulation, so the straw don’t go mouldy..
any thoughts on this?
Participanti agree wirth everyone!
oh, well, some people just have to learn that horses are real, working animals, not cartoon magical beings that automatically understand people! and i think those girls have some problems figuring this out!
pity only that horse needs a real trainer to make it into something managable in shafts. i won’t even want to start counting what all went wrong, just makes me sick, to be honest! if i had such a horse, i’d train it with utmost care and consulting the experienced horsemen in every step in order to make it a tractable and useful animal!
i hope i’m not right about its life: it’s going to stay unmanageble, so his owners will sell it and get a new horse. they will sell it not to someone who don’t have enough knowledge, but who is brutal enough to break that horse to work.
so the poor horse will likely have to pay for the stupidity of its owners!:mad:
stupidity because even if you don’t have the knowledge, ask guidance, or let someone train him! this way they ruined him…
Participant@mother katherine 14565 wrote:
That means I’m a volovicharka kaluderka. Thanks for all the words. Durdevic will surprised when I tell him.
oxnun
I LOVED the video with the huge black oxen pulling tremendous loads in the obstacle course. I’ll have to make some of those fancy red fringes – to keep flies out of the steers’ eyes.you can say that, or you can say “kaludyerica volarka”, figured out later that “kaludyerica” is the better way to say nun than “kaludyerka”. grandma says “kaludyerica”.
“kaludyerica koya ima volove” – means nun who has oxencan you please tell me where to find that video? is it on the web-section?
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