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Mark Cowdrey
ParticipantBeautiful! Congratulations, I’ll keep my eye out for a pony!
MarkParticipantDonn,
Concerning the PiggyBack Arch. You are correct that the pole and evener are set at the level of the log chain hitching points (hooks) in what seems by consensus to be the optimal arrangement. Therefore, as w any arch, when the arch is under way AND pulling (i.e. there is a forward force being applied by the horses in order to overcome the resistance of the friction of the log(s)), the pole is not a significant element in the process and floats along nicely. In the event that the load is pushing the arch, (large load, downhill, slippery going), the geometry of the cantilevered hooks causes the pole to tend to rise. This can be overcome by lengthening the chain between load and arch, creating more drag, until the “pushing” conditions are no longer a factor.
One PBFWA user has described to me how he uses the straight axle and cantilevered hitch hooks to his (and his horses) advantage. He can back up to a log until the axle is against it and by going a little more, the pole comes up and the hooks go down, allowing a shorter hitch, giving more lift when under way.By the way, I have 6 brand new arches in my barn available or sale. They are currently $590.
Good thread.
Mark
Participant“…One should be able to push on the evener and see the pole go up. If the pole and hitch are too high, this cannot happen, and the tension is against a straight line….”
Carl,
This statement could maybe use a little explication. In general and, specifically, what is the operational effect of the tension being against a straight line?
Thanks,
MarkParticipantI would submit that tongue weight is not entirely moot. Many folks are using western harness and a design that can work well w either type is a value to the community. Even w a D-ring harness, the weight has, for me, a not insignificant impact on the teamster when hitching and un-hitching.
I echo your point about back pads.
MarkParticipantNot an answer but a comment that MIGHT be useful:
I use haybine guards on my #9 High Gear Mower w a 5′ bar. The nuts are on the bottom and don’t seem to be an issue for me. Could be one of those things that seems like it should be an issue but actually isn’t. Just saying.
How is your lift tension? Bar just skating along the ground?
Good Luck,
MarkParticipantOh well. I’ll wait til Devin figures out my issue.
ParticipantI’ll revive this old thread and try posting another photo of my pole end piece.
ParticipantAnd let your heirs deal with it! 🙂
ParticipantExcept of course this site will not upload my photos even tho they are well under the 10240K advertised limit.
Email me @ rvfa-mlc1@usa.net if you want themParticipantHere are a couple shots of the ones I made from 1″ sq tube steel & chain links. You could use a rugged quick link to attach to neck yoke.
I like my setup so that it can move but is not too sloppy.
MarkParticipanthttp://meadersupply.com/search?type=product&q=jockey
Does this help?
MarkParticipantLooking good Ed.
ParticipantI have had several request for PiggyBack arches over the last few months but have been out of stock. Well the steel, hooks and bolts are ordered and I hope to have them ready to go by the first week in January, especially if this March weather continues.
Thanks,
MarkParticipantJared,
By setting the evener up as high as the log chain hitch point, the force is acting around and over the wheels rather than drawing them out from under the load, which would cause the tongue to rise.
For more info you can wade through this page: http://www.raggedviewfarm.com/index.php?nav=40
Feel free to get in touch if you have more questions.
Mark
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Thanks Jay!ParticipantI dread thinking of plowing a foot of snow off this mush. Tonight looks like it will drop down around here so hoping to yard some firewood here in the early AM. Hope I can remember how to harness my horses….:).
Hang in there brad. BTW, who’s we?
Finally dawned on me to offer gift certificates for sleigh rides. I’ve sold 3. Hopefully that will take the curse off the poor sledding it looks like we will have for Christmas.
Using the warm weather to get to projects I haven’t gotten to. Working on an insulated stock tank that I intend ot put in the fence line of my winter cattle turnout and my upper dooryard. The idea is to have access for the cattle but also be able to walk the horses up to it so I am only heating one tank and (finally) dispensing w buckets. My right shoulder is pretty excited about that prospect. Of course I still have plenty of time since the unheated ones are not frozen solid yet.
Have had a few calls for arches, hope to get to making a batch in the next couple weeks.
Looking forward to cutting a tree with the grandkids this weekend. It will be a first for them and I am looking forward to it.
It may be warm and weird but, thankfully, I can still find blessings to count.
MarkMark
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